Wandering. I think it's GREAT (truly) that your dogs get to live their lives like that, and yes I am sure there ARE some breeders out there that their dogs do. It just seems that lately more and more people in my circles are discussing how their show dogs are at home and it's NOT what you're doing. For example....additions added onto their homes creating a room, cement floor complete with DRAINS and kennels. This is where the dogs are kept. Yes, I've run across people that have this. I've also run across ads for 6+ month old lhasa pups that were "kept in the home until they were 3 months old then put into indoor/outdoor kennels" If you can show your dog, DO WELL showing it and still allow if to be a dog, AWESOME but from the circles I am frequenting I am hearing more and more about protecting their hair and even losing a couple hairs due to matting/playing. etc can cost you in the show ring....it's sad. Take another example that I've run across....people has a show lhasa, dog was bred but complications came up. The litter was lost AND the dog had to be spayed. Dog is now recovering from surgery and once she has recovered they've found a wonderful forever home for her. --This is a true case. The dog is spayed, so can't be shown or bred so...time to move her out. (That's my words not theirs) but that's how I see it. SAD for the dog. I leave my house for a couple hours and my husband will tell you, my dogs literally will lie by the door and wait until my return. If someone else comes into the house they get all excited, check both doors looking for me, if I am not coming in one of the other doors, back to their posts until I do return. I truly believe rehoming them would br traumatic for them and feel for the DOGS that are rehomed as soon as their usefulness in thw ring and or whelping box is finished. AGAIN please if you're not like this this is not meant toward you. I dont want you to think I am "tarring all shoers/breeders with the same brush" so to speak. I am just talking about what I am experiencing more and more of and seriously contemplating if I want to put my dog into the ring after having been told that the lifestyle I allow her to live (being a loved family member) will put her at a disadvantage.
I know that many breeders do retire their dogs to new home when they are no longer bred or showed. The breeder I got Tonka from does, sometimes, she figures that the dog gets to go to a home and be pampered as an only pet, or with one other dog then she will let it go, this is usually to family though. I agree that it is sad that some view it as getting rid of the dog because it is no longer use, and I am sure some breeders feel that way, but most breeders i have met feel that their dogs are family, and treat them as such. That means keeping them for the dogs life time.
As for having kennels for your dogs that is a choice. Many breeders have kennels and rotate dogs in the house to the kennels. With some breeds having them in groups is just not always doable. Some breeds do not get along well with other dogs, shibas often will fight with other dogs of the same sex. It is sometimes better to not have them all inside at once, only those that get along. Personally I dont think I could do it, but if the dogs are well taken care of and exercised then it isnt wrong.
I'm a little torn on the subject. There has been talk in the springer 'community' about one famous dual CH stud.. that now his offspring have been showing signs off aggression and "rage" and epilepsy. So even though he was a CH and hips excellent, eyes clear... he was not producing quality offspring. So what good did that CH title do? Nothing.
IMHO, dogs should be temperament tested before entering the ring.... they say aggression is not tolerated as breed standard for most breeds, but aggressive dogs can still get their title.
Kristen, there is not much you can do to alter that individual breeder, however you can avoid buying puppies from them. I know I can't change every single one of them, and there are bad dog owners/breeders in EVERY circle...
(Like the musher who allowed his dog to give birth WHILE pulling the sled in a race)
Yes, I have the book at home, he told it like it was a funny story, he was giving dog sled tours (ok, he was not in a race) and he laughs about reaching down and scooping up a puppy, and another puppy and so on...
I will have to find the book and give you the name, possibly type out a chunk of the story.
Minniyar-- Well I sent the co-owner/breeders a 3 page letter with my feelings and saying that they would have to take legal action before I would give her back. I said that my family really couldn't afford any more shoing in 06' but that I could continue in 07'.
So, now that it is 07' it has been on my mind a lot lately. Luckily there aren't too many shows until March. I am sure that once the showning starts again my opinion won't be mudd. I am not looking forward to it.
On a good note the lady showing one of my puppies is checking out that other handler in Utah. If they are good and fair and do a good job with that puppy I may use him in the future.
My plans for this season are Paris going back to the handler (she has to). Then showing another one named Roxy UKC because she is classic/solid and I don't think she would have a chance in AKC. Then Tess I will probably show UKC and a couple small AKC, but I want her to eventually go AKC with a handler.
Good luck with the UKC shows, I actually have been debating showing Riddick in the UKC as well (in those two shows). I know the breeder is supportive of hte UKC as well, she has a Gr Ch UKC rat terrier, she and a friend show at the Perry GA shows the two times a year they come to our area of the country.
My only hesitation in showing him in hte UKC is that I think many people feel that labs are 'common', if you know what I mean. Because let's face it, labs are really a dime a dozen, I think there was a whole *yawn* you got a lab' thing going when I told friends and family (and fellow dog showers) we had changed our minds regarding getting a newfoundland. Heck I was almost of the same mind until we really experienced what an exceptional dog Riddick is.
So I really am not sure how well he'd do in a UKC show. I should email the breeder and ask her, hehe
***Edited By: Minniyar on 1/3/2007 12:42:09 PM*** Reason: add
I don't know how many labs are showing UKC-- but I can sure tell you around here it is nearly impossible competition in AKC shows. I mean there are a lot of Boxers-- but there are WAY more labs!
You can always just go and have fun. Another good thing about UKC shows is that you can decide to enter that day-- and you don't have to pre-register weeks in advanced. That way if you are having a good day and have your stuff together-- go. If not stay home and you haven't lost your entry fees.
The UKC usually does 2 shows a day too, right? Seems like they do one show in the morning, and a 2nd show in the afternoon...
Hah yes lots of labs are required for a major, but ironically, it actually takes more boxers in our area for a major than it does labs. It takes 14 male boxers, but only 11 male labs for 2 pts. for a 3 pt major, it takes 25 male boxers, but only 20 male labs... For females, it takes 22 labs for 3 points, but 30 female boxers...
And a lot of the labs will be owner handled, unlike boxers which are almost all professionally handled... Ouch. I feel for you, seriously. :P