The secretary of our kennel club is also the director of one of the humane societies in Alabama, and every month we get a newsletter from her. She sent one out on New Years day that said the following...
"The goal of all shelters is to find homes for all of our pets, but the last week of 2006 was a sobering reminder of how elusive that goal will be until pet owners fully subscribe to spaying and neutering their pets or keeping their unaltered pets safely contained. From Tuesday through Saturday after Christmas we took in 87 dogs and cats and 44 of those were puppies under ten weeks old. While we love to report on the numbers adopted, the very tragic reality is that for every one pet adopted, another three to four are turned in. Forty four puppies in just one shelter in five days – multiply that by every shelter across our country and you can see why it is called a crisis of pet overpopulation."
They strongly suspect that the puppies were both unwanted Christmas presents and from 'breeders' getting rid of puppies they couldn't sell to people buying Christmas presents.
I know this topic was one that was heated.I just really feel the need to remind Juno that I guess your simple math was wrong!!! even though we all knew this was going to be the outcome it's still heartbreaking to read it.
That is very sad. I cannot believe that a breeder would take them to the shelters, do they do that? I thought that most breeders have a contract that if someone does not want the puppy, they are to give that puppy back to the breeder. Do some of them then put them in shelters after a puppy has been returned to them? If so, that is very upsetting to me.
unfortunatly, breeders who take puppies to the shelter aren't true breeders they are byb just people who wanted to make money and using the pets they have to make that money.only a true responsible breeder would have a contract to take the puppies back.
We have a ton of puppies being turned in too. Just while I was there Tuesday people brought in 6 because they are messing in the house and 15 because it they were unwanted gifts. So who know how many more we've got since then.
Ok, so there are two sides to this. Yes the breeders have a responsiblity to make sure the puppies are going to good homes, but what about:
THE PEOPLE BUYING THESE DOGS AS GIFTS? So what do they do? So Aunt Cathy or their girlfriend don't like the puppy-- it is too much work. They don't ask or check to see if the puppy is working out? They don't notice when the week after Christmas that the puppy is gone?
Then there are the people on the receiving end of these puppies. So you get a puppy for Christmas and don't tell the person that gave it to you that there is no way in H@ll that you are going to keep this puppy? You are just going to dump it at a kill shelter or rescue? What do THEY tell the person that gave them the puppy? It RAN AWAY?
I would say it is MORE the purchaser and reciever's fault that these puppies end up in shelters. How many breeders do you think get any type of notification or option to take the puppy back? My guess is very very few.
I would also say that a pretty big number also came from the petshops which don't have return policies any time of the year.
Finally-- if these puppies are truely intentionally bred puppies, purebreds or expensive mixes- What is the problem? Rescues should be snatching them up so they can turn them over and make a heafty profit on the puppies themselves.
I rarely see puppies of value on petfinder that are available for adoption, and if so there is a PRICE on it.
"How many breeders do you think get any type of notification or option to take the puppy back? My guess is very very few."
Any good breeder is going to want to keep in touch with the new parents. So even if the buyer doesn't tell them they will find out when they ask for updates. All reputable breeders are going to want info on the dogs they produce to work on their breeding program. I talk to my only non-rescued dog's breeder at least once a week and send her updated pictures a couple times a month. I don't know how I could get rid of her with the breeder finding out (not that I would). I could just ignore her, but she has all the info on me she could track me down or talk to my vet and ask about the dog.
"Finally-- if these puppies are truely intentionally bred puppies, purebreds or expensive mixes- What is the problem? Rescues should be snatching them up so they can turn them over and make a heafty profit on the puppies themselves."
What’s the problem? Are you serious?!?! Rescues are already full enough! Have you ever been involved in rescue? Most have very little if any room to bring in dogs. Also there is no profit to be made. Those adoption fees are spent before the dog is adopted. It cost money to alter, vaccinate, and feed dogs. In the rare case money is made of a puppy that needs little work it's spent on others with physical or behavioral problems. I know the rescue I work with owes vets thousands of dollars and I doubt many are that much different.
This is exactly why I won't send puppies into homes around Christmas time. If I have a litter ready to go around the holidays the puppies stay here until after the New Year. I also run a waiting list for my puppies so those that are ready at that time usually go to people who contacted me in August looking for a puppy and I spent 4-5 months getting to know.
I did want to comment on the "Breeder taking a puppy back" thing. While many many breeders say they WILL take a puppy back - that doesn't ALWAYS mean the person who bought the dog will give it back. I had my first puppy turned over to a Shelter the end of last year. The lady was on my list for 4 months and we spoke at least once a week during that period. I asked countless questions, got references from her, she got them from me, she asked a plethera of questions on training, potty training, etc... She got her puppy (paid $600 for the puppy, and $275 for shipping), even bought her "vet package" for vaccines and neutering. She talked to me every day on the phone the whole first week he was in her home and she was thrilled with him. On day eight she woke up and decided she didn't want the dog anymore. She walked him down to the Shelter and handed him over with all the paperwork I'd given her (health record ect...). Keep in mind, I would have given her a full refund and even paid the shipping back to avoid her doing this... The SHELTER called me. They said the puppy looked well bred, well cared for, and the paperwork she gave them was very detailed and professional looking and just looked like something that came from a breeder who cared. They also said she had NO remorse or hesitation at dropping him off. Unfortunately, I couldn't take him out of the Shelter from my location (that Shelter requires face to face contact). I did get to speak with the lady who adopted him from the Shelter (luckily she already had a Sheltie and knew the breed well) and we actually still exchange e-mails and phone calls every 2 weeks. The puppy got the better end of the deal with his second home. But it certainly wasn't my fault he ended up there. I would have continued doing follow up on the original home - but after she dropped him at the Shelter she wouldn't answer my calls or e-mails - so there was nothing I could do and if the Shelter hadn't called me, I may never have known (I sent them a nice donation as a thank you).
Sometimes breeders can only do so much to verify they are placing their puppies in good homes. If the person buying the dog knows what to say, we can't always tell if someone is insincere. We aren't mind readers. And while this particular puppy was shipped and I never met the lady in person - I've been scammed by locals just as often as I run into them long distance. And the only other puppy I've had to rehome was a family that lived 2000 miles away and they let me help them find a new home (the wife and mother died in a car crash unexpectedly and the single father now had 4 boys to care for and a 6 month old puppy).
I agree with Alicat that the irresponsibility of the pet owners often gets downplayed. I know breeders do terrible things - but in honesty, more of those puppies were probably surrendered by pet owners who made rash decisions - or by people who wanted to have "just one litter" for fun. I have a deaf Sheltie that was surrendered by her breeder because she didn't want to deal with her - but the breeder was one of those "I have two dogs I like to breed together once a year" people.
Meh. Nothing is ever set in stone, every situation is different. I got Ginger on Christmas-- for Christmas.
Maybe it is a husband and wife with no children or plans for the holidays other than eating Turkey. They are adults, they should be able to care for a puppy that week, just as any other. Maybe better, because so many professional people have the week in between Christmas and New Years off, and maybe they want to bond with the dog and get a start on potty training.
I just don't like some one saying "NEVER", people just need to use their head.
As far as the crazy lady that dumped the dog after 8 days. I would be flying to where ever I needed to go get my puppy-- that is breech of contract in my new puppy contract and the $3000 penalty (YES I SAID $3,000) would cover my expenses. It is VERY clear that they are not to dump one of my puppies at a shelter or rescue.
P.S. Nice to hear from you Abbylynn! I hope things are going well with you.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)