They are a beautiful dog breed but I hear they aren't for everyone. How long have you been breeding? TIbetan Mastiffs have only just recently become eligible for conformation shows (in what, 2005?) with the AKC, i see a few pictures where you appear to be showing your dog, do you show them with the AKC?
Tibetan Mastiffs are wonderful dogs, as are Anatolians. I don't have any experience with Pyrenees though, but they look like lovely dogs. Tibetan Mastiffs are definately not for everyone. They are large, rugged, powerful dogs with a thick coat and come in a nice variety of colors. TBs have a solemn expression, carry themselves with grace, and see themselves as too good to play fetch or frisbee. Adults are calm and quite indoors, and love the outdoors, especially colder climates where they can romp and play. They look very impossing to a potential burglar and make a good deterent, but are rarely aggressive, unless seriously provoked. But you must be aware that these dogs are huge and a take up a great deal of space in your home and car. They are very very heavy, but think that they are lap dogs. You must be able to tolerate a 140-200+ lb. dog laying on your lap, stepping on your feet, or just plain leaning against your leg whenever they feel like it. When young they can be hyper pups and get excited easily. Their instincts to protect their family are stronger than that to protect their own lives, and cannot be weaned out no matter how hard you try. They need constant socialization, supervision, and control. They can easily become aggressive to people if not socialized, and are naturally aggressive to anyone or anything they feel will harm you. They aren't "take to the dog park" dogs. They are dominant and can be extremely aggressive if chalanged. They need a strong and dominant owner who can take control. They bark, slobber water all over the floor, and shed like crazy. Within in a year I can collect enough hair around the house to make coats for every homeless person in America! lol Tibetan Mastiff pups don't come along very often. I have two breeding females, two retired and spayed females, and a breeding male. TBs only come into heat once a year and I only breed my girls every other year. Litters can be huge, and carrying 50+ pounds when pregnant can be a huge strain on the female. I've never bred a female more than twice in her life, at ages 3 and 5. At 5-6 years old my girls are spayed and usually live here for the rest of their lives, but I've also placed a few with people who wanted an adult dog and not a pup. To be honest, pups aren't cheap. I show my dogs, do all necessary health tests, and breed to a T standard. I'm very picky were I place pups too. I do not currently have a litter and wont be breeding one for a while, probably a year or more. I provide a 2 year health against CHD and hypothyroidism. A 3 year provides against entropion, seizures (not accident related), and canine inherited demyelinative neuropathy. All other genetic problems not listed are covered for 14 years, which is the usual max life expectancy of a TB. All my dogs are hip and thyroid tested before ever being bred, and once a year at minimum. I take all measures to ensure the breed stays true and healthy. I have yet to break even on a litter! lol
TBs need a good 30 miniute run once a day, or long walk. If not properly trained or socialized they can developed excessive barking habits, especially at night, which no neighbor wants to listen to. They can also become standoffish, overly protective, and stubborn. But, remember, 99.9% of all growls are a big bluff! These are not dogs that bite. It takes a great deal to cause a TB to attack a person. The only time I ever heard of one attacking a person was when a burglar broke in and went straight for the owner's bedroom. The dog was there in an instant. The owner woke up terrified when she saw a strange man lurking over her bed and her 180 pound dog growling. After several good warnings to no effect, the dog DID attack the man. It was enough time for the woman to escape and call the police. I was told that the bedroom looked like a crime seen. Blood was everywhere and the man was dead. He had had one arm completely torn off! Further examination revealed a large semi automatic fire arm and a bullet into the dog's chest. Sadly, the dog, Buck, did not make as the bullet pierced his heart. The man was later identified as a serial rapist and murder. This took place in Italy and I'm proud to say that the dog who gave his life to protect his master was the offspring of one of my puppies. My great grand doggie! If you really want a TB, I suggest rescue. In fact, I suggest rescue to everyone who comes to me. There are Tibetan Mastiffs in rescue who are very deserving of good homes. They cost about 1/5 the price of a pup, are already spayed/neutered, and have been housetrained and possibly obedience trained. Here is an example of an obviously purebred TB. Gentle Giants rescue in California frequently takes in TBs from all over the world and have puppies sometimes too!
I have been breeding for 17 years. My dogs have been FSS for a long time, and are finally AKC registered. I haven't shown with the AKC as of yet though. I have shown with the FCI, KCGB, NKC, and NZKC. I handle all of my dogs by myself here in the US, but I have handlers in other countries. All of my dogs are shown and I have yet to own a dog that didn't love every miniute of it!
Thank you so much. That means a lot to me. If saving a homeless dog means not making a sale, I'm fine with that. I'm not in this for the money anyway. Sadly, there are people who are though. I've come across my fair share of bad breeders. I had a friend a couple years ago who owned two Dachshunds. She made these poor things live outside without shelter and they were emaciated. Somehow they kept getting around animal control. She bred them just to make money too. It sickened me to no end! It was just a horrible situation. Sadly, she died of a pain medice overdose and left three small children, two dogs, and a husband who doesn't know what to do with himself. He ended up giving the dogs to the shelter and I haven't heard anything since. Hopefully they got adopted or went to rescue though. I can't tell you how many times I've wanted to smack people across the head for being so stupid with animals! Dogs chained in yards, bred for money, forced to live outside without shelter, not being vaccinated, not being spayed or neutered....what the heck is wrong with people?!? I personally use spay and neuter contracts on all my pups, except those that have been evaluated by an FCI judge to be best of the best in conformation, temperament, and health. So far I've only let five dogs leave from my home without spay/neuter contracts. My philosophy is: Not to spay or neuter a pet quality dog is just a death sentence to hundreds of homeless animals.
thanks for all the information on them. it seems they are very much like the anatolian. i think it is great that you recommend rescue as a first option. with the exception of scout, all my dogs have been rescues.
i was wondering if in your breed there are any advantages or disadvantages to waiting for a pup to fully grow and mature before they are spayed or neutered ? all my dogs in the past have been spayed or neutered by the time they reached 6 months of age. however recently i have been reading a lot of the advantages, some are more breed specific than others, to waiting until they are fully matured. lots of growth and filling out issues, patellar problems, coat issues and some overall health issues such as an increase in different types of bone cancers in dogs spayed or neutered too early. are any of these things concerns with the TM and would you sell to someone who would get their dog spayed or neutered, but chose to wait until full maturity ?
Pope, please don't be like this. You're "google" sarcasm is getting old. I haven't been on here in a few hours and am just now reading the posts. If you have a problem with me, for whatever reason, don't respond to my threads.
Scout, puppies are a lot more active than adults. Tibetan Mastiff puppies aren't small and they frequently knock things over as they can be clumsy. It takes a while for them to grow into their feet. lol Adults are a lot calmer and usually taught right from wrong, housetrained, and spayed/neutered. Spayed and netuered Tibetans do make better pets. Their aggressive tendencies toward other animals are weakened, yet they still make great watchdogs. You don't have to worry about your dog accidently getting pregnant or getting another dog pregnant. Hormones aren't raging and they are calmer. Neutered dogs and spayed females may fill out a little bit more, but do not become overweight unless their exercise and nutrition needs are neglected. As you can see my dogs are a bit thinner, yet very tall. Spaying and neutering does not inhabit growth, but will cause them to be a little heavier. Their coats are not as "fluffy" as some, because they are groomed constantly and live inside the house. Dogs i very cold climates or that live outside in kennels tend to grow thicker coats. The same goes for dogs who aren't groomed as frequently. Clipping should never be done. Tibetan Mastiffs do not have any serious health concerns as they haven't been overbred as some breeds have. My smallest female is 24 in. at the back, 140 pounds. My male is 29 in. and 200 lbs. The average life expectancy is 13 years, which is a lot for such a large breed.
TBs need a well fenced yard with a lot of space. Always monitor the dogs with visitors. If the person does not live in your house the dog sees them as a possible threat. Even though the breed seldom bites, a bear like growl can scare even the toughest man. Never allow anyone to come into your home without you there. The TB will see this as an intruder and may bluff an attack. Tibetan Mastiffs, like some wild animals, will "bluff charge" those they see as threats. This includes the dog growling and lunging at the person, but will stop within a few inches. Teeth are usually displayed, but it is almost always a bluff. ALMOST ALWAYS. City dwellers or those who live in apartments should not own one of these dogs. They hate small spaces and will become overprotective and bark constantly.
To their master the Tibetan Mastiff is a loyal and obedient guardian. Being intelligent, stubborn, protective, this dog needs to be socialized and trained from early on. This is very important if you have children. This breed is most protective of the little ones, even over other children! Rough housing between two children can be seen as an attack, and the child will almost definately be bit. As long as the dog is socialized and trained properly, this should never be a problem. TBs come in black, black and gold, brown, gold, red brindle, or blue and tan. They must be brushed at least three times a week.
Breed health problems include hip dysplasia and hypertrophic osteodystrophy. These conditions are only minor concerns. They are a very healthy and hearty breed. I recomend you look at:
Stay away from wikipedia! Their information is false and rediculous. They state that adult Tibetan Mastiffs can cost up to a million dollars! Not at all true. No dog costs this much, unless it was made of solid gold and diamonds. lol
Your dogs are beautiful! I had an English Mastiff, best dog ever! She lived to be just short of 13 years. I will get another someday, and hopefully soon.
Do TM's typically bark more than others? My mastiff barked maybe three times in the 12 years that we had her. But I had a friend who had three TM's and they barked nonstop. They were kept outside all the time, and not given much attention by their owners.
Also, I'm getting ready to move to Seattle. Do you know of any GOOD English Mastiff breeders in Washington?
Wow! Thank you for the links! I'll get researching. With Mastiffdaddy posting pics of his, I'm getting impatient and want another one, or three, soon! I want to look into rescue first, but eventually I want to breed them, but that's years in the future! I've heard that due to inbreeding, Mastiffs have been dumbed down, so I want to make sure I get my breeding stock from a really good breeder.
I toyed with the idea between tibetan, neos, and english before my wife made the decision for me 6 years ago to settls on the english. I didn't like the whole large amounts of shedding with the TM, and the neo just didn't catch my fancy as much as the english(not so true now). Next pup I get is going to be a Neo. I have only heard of a couple of good neo breeders in eastern washington though. I may have to go a ways for them.