Look on some of the big 'puppy find' ing (hint hint) sites, do a search for the breed and you can search by State. Just be careful. Don't go with a breeder that is selling 15 types of dog/mixes. It is best to go check out the puppy in person if possible. BTW-- bugs are cute.
"Breeders do not breed just for the pet market and believe the only justifiable reason to breed is to improve the breed. Pugs sold as pet quality are to be sold with limited registration and spay/neuter requirements."
You know, I am all for purebreds obviously. But I am not blinded by looking only at them either. I have been thinking that I honestly like the looks of some of these pug mixes better than 95% of purebreds.
Some dog breeds LIKE PUGS did start out as companion animals so I don't see how they can complain when it is mixed with another breed to be a companion animal-- particuarly with a breed as unhealthy as pugs. Unless they are worried about some one creating a BETTER version of the pug or sapping their market. I am sure it does p.o the breed club that people are selling the mixes for more than the purebreds. Whoops.
It's not just because they are cuter, it is because the word is out that purebred pugs are not all that desirable. Sorry to the people who love, own, and raise this breed but it is a factor why people are passing up purebred pugs and going with the mixes.
The big reason for all the complaints on all the threads is 'boo hoo, people are just raising these for money'. Well honestly a solid 80% of purebred breeders are only raising puppies for money too, so that really isn't a good arguement.
why not get a boston or a pug? I have a boston and a pug and they are both great guys. I wouldnt trade them for the world. Or you could get one of each.
I think pugs are supper cute. I have not seen a pug mix that i find cutter then a pug. But thats just on oppion everyone thinks diffrent things are cute.
pugs and boston both have health problems and breathing problems. couldnt mixing them make it worse? I can see the puggle they are trying to give the pug a longer nose to help with the breathing. but a boston has breathing problems too so why mix those 2 breeds?
***Edited By: monkeyeatbutt on 1/10/2007 2:26:39 PM*** Reason: add
Alicat: "The big reason for all the complaints on all the threads is 'boo hoo, people are just raising these for money'. Well honestly a solid 80% of purebred breeders are only raising puppies for money too, so that really isn't a good arguement. "
BS. Back that up with something concrete. Of all the responsible breeders I know in my breed, none of them are breeding for money. I just don't believe that statement without some concrete evidence.
I think the confusion was that I didn't say responsible breeder I said purebred breeder.
For every one 'responsible' purebred lab or pit or small breed dog, how many byb's are there? How many people are just selling them cash and carry out of the paper? There are a lot lot lot more of that type of breeder than 'responsible breeders' that lose money on every breeding.
Though I question how long any breeder that is not independently wealthy can continue to breed any type of dog if they truely 'lose' money with every litter as some claim. They must have married better than I did. LOL.
I am not going to be going back on this thread because I know my OPINION is not that of other's OPINION on this matter. That is ok, every one is entitled to their own.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 1/10/2007 3:46:31 PM*** Reason: ad
They keep breeding because responsible breeders don't have multiple litters yearly, they have one or two litters. If they're really lucky, they'll have one or two keepers from those litters and place the others in responsible show or pet homes. So, yes they may be loosing $$, but they're not breeding every female every heat cycle like BYBers/mills.
With the prices of dogs i dont see how they can lose money. depending on the breed and breeder you can spend a few K on a pet.
I know alot is involved in breeding and I know you will lose money some litters but if you keep losing money how can you keep dong it year after year? I mean lets say you have 3 fems they hve a litter every other heat I think thats maby 2 litters a year. unless your only losing a few bucks each litter I dont see how alot of people can do it. If you broke even or somethng then yah.
do you win money at dog shows? I know you can at the big ones but what about the little ones?
Well, I can see how people could continually lose money with dogs, depending on their show habit, but to me that is optional.
If you spend 100,000 on a moterhome....well you just have dogs and go to shows because that is what you like to do. Or if you pay a handler continually.
Again, I didn't marry some one that makes enough to allow me to spend the famlies money too much on things like that. Though I was thinking of going to an International Dog show in the bahammas next year....yeah tax write off!
<<<I still don't see too many spouses dealing with all of the work and mess required of even a litter or two per year, that would be ok with LOSING money continually for 10+ years. I call BS. >>>
Alicat, you clearly know NOTHING about responsible breeding, I have been a breeder for more years then I care to admit, and I LOSE money. The cost of raising QUALITY dogs far outweighs the gain. And I have Bernese Mountain dogs, a breed that almost never sells for less than $1000. Here is a breakdown from my last litter.
Here is a breakdown from my last litter, this does NOT include Willow, the mother dog's food, initial cost, lifetime vet bills, hereditary testing, showing expenses, and all of the other wonderful things we shower our dogs with (toys, beds, treats, collars, ect.)
Pre-Breeding Cheakup: $95 Vaginal smear to determine optimal breeding time: $75 Stud Fees: $2500 Artificial Insemination Fees: $200 Ultra Sound # 1 $250 Ultra Sound # 2 $250 Whelping Box/Birthing Supplies $75 Xray looking for additional pups after birth: $125 Pitruitin Shots: $25 Bloodwork/vet visit after she continued vaginal bleeding a week later $200 Emergency Spay/Csection after she began hemmoraging: $4600
Puppy cost: Vet visit $120 declaws $90 food: $450 Vet Visit/shots: $150 Misc (AKC reg, puppy care packge, ect.) about $300
2 Pet quality Bernese pups sold at 1200 ea. 2400 1 Show Berner 2000 I Bernese pup for ourself n/a
Wandering Spirit-- I don't think that you reflect the majority of breeders any where, do you?
I mean your 'standards' are 'above' even the reasonable breeders on here, because I don't know of any one else that feels you 'must title' every dog in the breeding program. That is your opinion. So the fact that you lose money is not a suprise.
Another reason you don't 'make money' are your choices of living location and your choice of an expensive vet.
I am frugal with myself and my children, I am not going to be different with my dogs.
I'm with you alicat. If breeding dogs resulted in a net loss every time, no one would do it except the wealthy. Really, the only good reason to breed is to get babies that are as good or better than the parents.
I'll assume that in the example above, the puppy you kept was show quality? So your dog only had 50% that were show quality out of 2 champions? At first glance to someone who knows little about breeding, that's not a very efficient venture. But if you do, that's actually pretty good or at least normal to get only half that you could show.
So if you breed, even to show, you know that a 100% show quality litter is very rare and so you will get puppies that are pet quality only. To someone who doesn't know anything about breeding animals, they'd have to ask why bother since you're contributing to the pet market whether you like it or not.
Of course I know better from raising rabbits for show. Fifty % show quality is pretty normal for most breeds. And, luckily, rabbits are disposible and I don't have to contribute to the pet market.