I do have a life you took the time read my whole replys. I also have 2 crossbred Children hope that is not a sin as well since my doctor had not problem with it.
"Purebred dogs were developed for a specific purpose such as hunting or herding by cross breeding two or more founding breeds that the breed developers thought would best contribute to meeting that specific purpose. Then over some period of time, the resulting offspring (usually father, daughter or first cousins) were bred with each other to minimize the "random chance" characteristics. Then over many generations the resulting dogs would start to breed true and have physical and temperament characteristics with minimal differences across generations and bloodlines"
I don't inerbreed as one of you accused but how far back have you checked your dogs family tree. I also notice not one of you cared when Husky admitted to crossbreeding.
None of them cared because my crosses are bred with a PURPOSE. They NEVER go to pet home. You on the other hand only sell to pet homes, because that's all that your dogs can possibly do. And that's not what this world needs. So, once again, you are simply contributing to a bigger problem.
I am so glad that where you live is perfect and you think that Dogs as campanions is stupid well would you rip a pets away from a little old lady that has no family and that having that cute little puggle has given her a new lease on life and a reason to get up every day. Or the little arutistic boy that since the dog is at his house has started to say words and the first was the dogs name. Ya Husky having a pet is stupid just tell these people how dum they were to take one of my pups in to there homes. And in 2 weeks when my new beagle who would have been a pound puppy has her litter of beagle cross pups becaues her owner was not careful enough with what should I do with them I have already found 3 loving homes and I have only had her 2 days and these so called stupid families don't even care that we have know idea what the mix is they just want a loving PET.
"I am so glad that where you live is perfect and you think that Dogs as campanions is stupid well would you rip a pets away from a little old lady that has no family and that having that cute little puggle has given her a new lease on life and a reason to get up every day. Or the little arutistic boy that since the dog is at his house has started to say words and the first was the dogs name. Ya Husky having a pet is stupid just tell these people how dum they were to take one of my pups in to there homes. And in 2 weeks when my new beagle who would have been a pound puppy has her litter of beagle cross pups becaues her owner was not careful enough with what should I do with them I have already found 3 loving homes and I have only had her 2 days and these so called stupid families don't even care that we have know idea what the mix is they just want a loving PET."
Where I live is not perfect. Where I live is sled dog country. Don't bash it please, you clearly know nothing about the sport, the dogs, or the people.
I'm so glad that you coaxed a little old lady and a family with a disabled child to waste their money on a dog they could've adopted for less than $100. That must be a great way for them to spend their money.
I never said anything against companions. You do not listen. I have two companion dogs myself, a Pomeranian and a Chow Chow. I wouldn't breed them together just because a "customer" asked me to. I think for myself, not for those underneath me.
I never said anything about your new "rescued Beagle" having puppies either. Although, if you bred that rescued beagle yourself, then you need some new sort of education beyond just mixing breeds. You are starting to put words into my mouth, saying that I am calling these families stupid, and yadda yadda. I really do not appreciate that, since you can go back and read what I wrote, but you will sit here and say that I said something different. Is that your way of trying to get people on your side? Everyone else here can read too you know.
And you putting words into what I said that weren't there from the start doesn't make you any better of a person. You are still breeding mutts, you are breeding solely for companionship, and it is wrong. End of story. You obviously know very little about dogs.
Actually Nadia, most pit bull breeders should be forced to stopped breeding. But that is a different debate, and not on this thread.
Molly Doll does not breed this mix because she likes them. She bred it because her customers asked her to. That is just a money hungry fact that she herself stated. She dug herself a nice deep hole, let her lie in it.
So breeding my beagles soley for hunting is fine as long as I don't sell one to a family just as a pet. Are you also saying that you or a hUsky breeder would never sell a Husky for a pet. I would bet on it that some would.
Husky -- I was about to disagree with your responses to Molly Doll, but then I clicked "Back" instead of "Reply to topic" ....
Then I took a minute to reflect on why I've chosen the dogs I have, and I realized that I have wanted dogs that have "a purpose." I didn't want a dog that has been bred by people making decisions swayed entirely by conformation (or simply "looks" in the absence of any other standard). That eliminates lots of breeds right off the bat.
Our first family dog was a retired greyhound. Think what you might about the dog racing industry -- they do not compromise speed for looks.
Our second dog was a springer pound puppy. We didn't know if he was bench or field bred. I didn't understand the distinction at that point, and since he didn't make it, we'll never know. I know now I would choose the field bred variety.
Now we have a brittany with hunting parents.
So I guess I'm not ready to tell people that they have no business breeding animals to be just companion pets, but that's something that I specifically have (although not always consciously) tried to avoid.
"So breeding my beagles soley for hunting is fine as long as I don't sell one to a family just as a pet. Are you also saying that you or a hUsky breeder would never sell a Husky for a pet. I would bet on it that some would."
Did I say that? No. If you bred your Beagles for hunting, it would only make you Puggle breeding even more of a problem. But you don't listen, you don't understand.
I have sold two HUSKIES as pets in the past decade and a half. My dogs are NOT bred from the lines you are used to seeing. They probably don't even look like the huskies you are used to seeing. Is there anything else you would like to ask me? The answers won't be dodgy. I can assure you, my breeding is completely legitimate and greed free.
I assure you that I don't make a living off my dogs and they are not over bred. But I do breed for hunting and campanion and no one is breed unless they are 6 homes waiting that is why one family waited for 3 years I don't get an up front deposit to lock a family to a dog they pay that when thay pick there pup. So let me ask you this if that family could of bought there pup any where why did they wait for one of mine.
In case you weren't aware, even the creator of the Labradoodle - the prince of all designer breeds really - admitted that he has opened a 'pandora's box' of dogs. He admitted that he has made mistakes. Even admitted that poodle crosses are not reliable for what their breeders claim they are (hypo-allergenic, shed-free, etc).
A very prestigious vet in the eyes of many said this: ""These breeds are largely being created as a fashion, a response to eccentric needs..." Dr. John Verstegen (MSc, PhD, DECAR, associate professor, department of large animal clinical sciences, theriogeneology section at the University of Florida, College of Veterinary Medicine)
Gee, the above quote sounds just like what Molly Doll herself did...bought into the needs of customers, and defenseless animals are the victims.
"It's hard to believe that we need them when consider we've had 64,000 dogs surrendered to the RSPCA nationally just in the last financial year" Leann Ayers, RSPCA Australia. Australia, as you know, is the homeland of the Labradoodle.
"We need more people to spay and neuter their pets," Shain says. "Right now we're euthanizing millions of healthy animals that just don't have a home. Three years from now, these puggles will be in the same situation." Stephanie Shain (director of outreach for the Humane Society of the United States) She could probably point you in the direction of plenty of sheltered abandoned Puggles who aren't a "cocktail of mixes".
"Dogs Trust is concerned about any fad with dogs because it tends to encourage people to buy dogs on impulse, not really having thought about it. And you get the whole 'Me too, I want to copy whatever pop star it is that has a dog and these particular sort of dogs today" Chris Lawrence (United Kingdom charity Dogs Trust) How true. We've already seen the results of starts and their pets, and the effect on the general population.
Need more? "plenty of Labradoodles, Schnoodles and puggles have all arrived at the shelter in Annapolis." Sue Beatty (Executive director of the Anne Arundel County SPCA) Puggles aren't a hard dog to identify. Generally, they have a typical appearance. But because they are mutts, you can never be sure. So that puggle you said wasn't a puggle, very well could have been. You would never be able to tell for sure, especially if it was a first generation puppy, which never have a very predictable appearance.
The Pug Dog Club of America doesn't like the designer dog idea either. Pug Dog Club of America
"PDCA members do not support nor condone the intentional breeding of mixed breed, "designer" dogs. Please do not ask our members to participate in such endeavors.
Producing a stable new breed of dog requires perhaps 30 years of extensive commitment from many people all working together..." Tooo right they are.
"I assure you that I don't make a living off my dogs and they are not over bred. But I do breed for hunting and campanion and no one is breed unless they are 6 homes waiting that is why one family waited for 3 years I don't get an up front deposit to lock a family to a dog they pay that when thay pick there pup. So let me ask you this if that family could of bought there pup any where why did they wait for one of mine."
Perhaps then, I should call that family stupid for having waited for someone like you for so long. ;)
They could've had a rescued Puggle long before then. Or an actual breed that they can have a lot more predictability with, no less.
Molly, that says nothing to me. You called yourself a good breeder. Most breeders would. I don't run ads or have a website either. I've been breeding for 30 years. Most of my clients have known me that long, and have numerous other dogs from me.
You're not making a point for yourself, you're just talking. You've been presented with more than enough facts. Now you are scurrying and clawing to defend yourself. Maybe you finally are starting to learn the errors of your ways.
Or, maybe you still just don't listen and don't care enough.
More babbling. Instead of attacking me with your claims about my breeds, why not try to do something good for a change? Stop breeding mutts for money, maybe? That's a good start. Read facts, try to listen and understand, stop being a 12 year old about it.
"so far not one of my pups has and as long as I keep up great contacts one never will." Not one of mine has either. And, a contract doesn't guarentee a dog will not end up in a shelter. A contract can only do so much. It might be good to have, but it can only be enforced so far, and a piece of paper will rarely stop someone from doing anything. Nice try though.
Not once have I ever said anything about my breeds being saints or never having bad breeders. You think I'm only against designer breeders? HECK NO, I'm against all bad breeders. And as long as I've been a breeder, I have no problem spotting a bad breeder. I don't have to see their homes or their websites. The ways they talk and what they admit to are more than enough to make a good judgement. It's not just about the dogs, it's about the people too. If anyone is interested in one of my dogs, I tell them to check the shelter FIRST. I haven't poduced a litter in a year. In the past 5 years, I've had two litters. None of them have gone to the shelter, none are suffering from health issues, none are in pet homes where THEY would be miserable because of their high energy and their drive. (Notice, I never said I had anything against having pets) There are many sled dog kennels who have dogs who came straight out of the shelter. And I appreciate them. They have entire teams of rescues. They are good people. Families in search of a dog could easily find a puppy at a shelter, or through rescue. Most families give up if they can't find a dog at their local shelter. But they fail to realize, there are rescue organizations all over the world that will ship dogs across country. They just don't bother to look to these dogs, so they continue to sit there, awaiting a family to take them in. Their fate isn't secure. A foster family can only do so much; many are not able to keep these dogs for such long periods of time either.
What a terrible world we live in, when self-proclaimed good breeders can only bring up negative things about other BREEDS to make their dogs look better, just so they can sell a puppy, or try to prove their points. What's even worse, they have no problems breeding these animals, not bothering to tell people how many are in shelters. They breed them because other people tell them to. Not such a good example for younger people, who are already being brainwashed into thinking people like Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are good role models. "Don't think for yourself, everyone! Let others think for you!" That's the attitude that's perceived.."I give the buyers what they want"...you sell lives to people because they asked you to. Sickening. This thread just proved every theory I had about you Molly Doll. You can continue to try and make yourself look like a huge prestigious breeder, but you've already proved otherwise with the things you admitted. I'm not even sure how you can go back and try to say you don't breed for money after what you admitted to being your reason for breeding Puggles. Maybe you'll realize how bad this is for the dogs in a decade, when their health problems start to pop up and they are the number two dog in the shelter, right behind pit bulls. Good day to you. And my deepest apologies to the dogs you use to sell these poor puppies. And the families you are probably lying and giving false information to about these dogs.
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