I purchased a Papillon puppy with CKC papers from Butler County Ohio. He sells Newfoundlands, Eskimos and Papillons (ha). The Pap he sold me looks to be 1/2 border collie. I am preparing to take him to court for fraud. Any help would be appreciated. Any other people who were scammed by him would also be appreciated. You can respond to firstname.lastname@example.org Thanks, Norma
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***Edited By: Scout1 on 1/14/2007 6:35:10 PM*** Reason: x
That is really unfortunate, but the info will be removed. You cant use peoples names or kennel names here for slander reasons. Did you see the dog before taking it home? Do you have pics to show so we can see her?
I bought the puppy without seeing her for myself. I saw her picture as a 2 and 4 week old. My daughter took a picture of the puppy with her mother and mother did indeed look like a pure bred Papillon. We asked the breeder for pictures of the Sire but he didn't ever send them to us. We sent a check for 200.00 as a deposit and wrote it was for a healthy Papillon. The breeder advertised and vouched that Pixie was a pure bred Papillon with a sire and dam each weighing 8 lbs and 8.5 lbs. He told me that the Sire had good ears in a phone conversation. I didn't know CKC requires no proof to register a breed. My ignorance. I didn't know my 24 year old daughter would see the new puppy and fall in love without realizing the puppy at 8 weeks was too long and had feet that were too big. Daughter lives in Cincy Ohio and drove the puppy to us 4 hours away. I don't think I can send pictures on this forum but I sure have pictures and if you email to email@example.com I can send you some pictures. At the moment I'm debating between small claims court or regular court for fraud. The breeder says as long as the parents are CKC registered the puppy is pure no matter what she looks like. I asked if it was possible that another male, a border collie impregnanted his female and he didn't respond. Pixie is 7 months, 14 lbs, 1 ear up and 1 ear down, runs like a Border Collie in circles bumping her chest or using her front paws to collect her humans on a walk when loose. She is 14 inches high and 28 inches long. Her tail is too long for a Pap. The coat looks nothing like a Pap. She was easy to housetrain which is a good thing but different from a Pap. She makes none of the sounds that a Pap does. We have a pet quality Pap of 9 years here. Pixie tries to herd the male. Any negative comment about the Breeder on puppyfind is deleted. Breeder sells other breeds too.
If someone would tell me how to permit readers to see my pictures I'll attempt it.
BTW, when the puppy was seen by our Vet the puppy was diagnosed to be a puppy wrapped around cocci which we treated and which the breeder blamed on us!!! (All the scientific studies show that if the puppy is diagnosed before 14 days of ownership the puppy had the parasite on delivery to the new home).
go to http://www.photobucket.com I would like to see the pics we could see and tell you what we think. i am very sorry that that happened to you that is a shame ppl like that give good breeders a bad name.
Here are some pictures of Pixie. I took her to a Papillon play day in Sarasota with our other dog, a true Papillon. Pixie decided it would be great fun to circle all the other Paps. She got them to chase her by running through the center of them and then around and around in circles. Some of the Paps climbed onto their owner's laps instead of chasing Pixie. We are wintering in Florida.
She does look like a border collie. It s reasons like this that I would never buy a puppy that I haven't actually seen where they come from. I worked in a kennel for a very short time and the lady that owned it was very crooked. She registered dogs that she bought somewhere else to dogs that had pasted away or had been spayed or neutered. You wouldn't believe some things that people that claim to be good breeders do for that almighty dollar. I didn't work there very long and reported her to AKC and CKC. The last that I heard, she could no longer register with either. Alot of people had to report her and they had to come and do DNA testing before anything was ever done about it. There is no telling how many dogs all over US are registered wrong because of her.
We're preparing to apply to AKC to register Pixie as a Papillon for agility competition. We need some expert to say in court that Pixie isn't purebred. We have CKC papers and emails from the breeder assuring us Pixie is pure bred. No expert that we've contacted (including my Veterinarian of 27 years) is willing to sign a document stating Pixie is a mixed breed. The Vet says he's getting close to retirment and doesn't want to be involved in litigation at his age. Same with other Papillon breeders that we've asked. The AKC rejection will be the only document thus far from "experts". We anticipate a rejection from AKC. If we go to regular court we can subpoena the sire into court. If we go to small claims we can't. If we go to regular court and if we win we get triple damages. If we go to small claims, the judge usually grants 1/2 the damages to the plaintiff. We don't need a lawyer in small claims. It's harder to collect anything in small claims and much easier in regular court. Damages are obviously the price paid for the puppy. We'd like to claim the dog pen, collar and leash she outgrew in 4 weeks. Decisions, decisions. Meanwhile the breeder continues to breed and sell puppies from 3 different breeds, Newfoundlands, Am Eskimos and occasionally "papillons". I wish I could find other scammed people to join me in a class action suit but I don't know how to get the word out. Any ideas?
Pixie will remain our pet. We're in a senior retirement community in the winter where we have a leash law. Fortunately real estate has tanked here in Florida and all construction has come to a halt. We unleash Pixie where they have fenced in the development and cleared the land for new condos and can safely let Pixie off leash for a run. She seems to require a 45 minute run each day to be happy. Otherwise she paces and chews carpets and bedspreads etc. What we'll do after they start building again we don't know. We're hoping this running need is temporary but she does try to herd our Papillon and us humans when we're out walking. She doesn't like any of us 3 to get out of a "circle" of space.