I was wondering what peoples opinions are for using E-collars on puppies? I have a 6 month old siberian husky and I have been trying to get her to stop biting, jumping up on people, and attacking/biting my legs and clothes since we brought her home at 9 weeks. Nothing has worked and if we don't get this under control soon I don't know what else to do. I wasnt sure if they are ok to use on puppies and if it will help with my problems. I saw on the dog whisperer that you can get ones that just vibrate and don't actually shock and you use a remote to control when it vibrates.
I just watched a Dog Whisperer episode featuring e-collar. It was a Blue Heeler that had already been injured twice from chasing in front of moving farm vehicles and biting tires. The collars' controller had a vibrate-only setting, but also a range of mild-to-harsh shock settings. Maybe the vibrate setting is supposed to work as a warning to a dog that's already felt what a shock is like?
Good luck with your dog. I have no idea whether the collar is the way to go on yours. It kind of sounds like a last resort.
I know some people use them with success, but personally I would never use them on any dog, let alone a 6 month old. Your puppy is being a puppy that's how they play until you teach them that's unacceptable to play with people like that. Have been to an obedience class? What have you tried and for how long? If you keep switching training methods you could just be confusing the pup. I would give her a time out every time she bits or jumps for a couple minutes. If you keep it up she will figure out that means play stops and that's no fun
E-collars IMHO are incredible for field training dogs. I've found that people who think they are cruel have never even experienced one. The first thing our field hunting instructor did when we were about to learn how to use them on Riddick was make everyone put the e-collar on their arm and experience the jolt.
She used one with an adjustable setting, so that the volt started at like.. 2 wats or volts or something? And you could turn up the dial... and the reason for this is, different dogs feel the charge at different settins. This was demonstrated among the people as well. I could feel the jolt (and it wasn't really a shock, it just made my hand twitch, it didn't make me scream in pain, it was just enough to feel) at 10. My husband didn't feel it until it was dialed up to 30... one guy didn't feel it until it was to like 45?
The idea with an e-collar is set it at the absolute lowest setting the dog can feel... so you start at 2, then gradually dialed it up. When the dog started at the stimulation, that was as far as you went.
It is important to say that the e-collar was only used after the dog already knew the command. For example, we used it with 'come'. Put the dog on a long lead, said "Come", and repeatedly rewarded him when he came (encouraging him with the lead). When he came to us consistently no matter where he was. Ok so once he knew what 'come' was and came consistently every time.
Then said, "Come." If he didn't come, that was when he was supposed to be 'nicked'. A touch of stimulation. As long as he didn't come he would be nicked... So the person saying 'come' is the 'safe place'.
Anyway what I am saying is I doubt that an e-collar would work for a jumper just because the dog has to *know* that it's not good to jump. Instead why don't you put a halti on the dog when guests come over and put the dog into a sit?
I waited until Blaze (also a Siberian husky) was 6 months old before I used it on her. She would chase the cats so this corrected the problem.
Please Please educate your self on the proper use before using it. You don't want to hurt your dog. I only had to correct her a few times and now I only tone her. I don't even have to use the correction.
I also use it when I run them to keep them out of safety hazards.
I also think before anyone uses Electronic they understand How dogs learn. Most people are only versed in reward the good, and punish the bad. Which can be very subjective to what is good and what is bad. Also most people do not understand how the collar can negatively effect the dog. in my experience most handlers are very unequiped to use a E-collar, and most dogs to soft to be placed with one. Also many handlers use the collar thinking at first it works like magic, tilol the dog becomes collar wise and then the collar is useless. because the dog becomes obedient only to the collar.
Many of the problems you have stated are very easily corrected with out the use of an e-collar. I am sure you have probably tried a hundred other methods to stop this. I do not think the training device is the problem. I think your understanding of dog behavior and learning theory may need some work. The E-collar is not more effective than a pinch collar. The only thing in my experince that the E-collar provides is that you do not need a leash. But seeing that most of your problems ar ein close proximity to people an E-collar is not really appropriate.
I use Electronic training. I did not start till my dog was 16 mos old. for those first 16 months of life. my dog wore an E-collar during very pleasurable activites so the dog was conditioned to think pleasure not pain.
And before I introduce any type of punishment. I go through the teaching phase and the proofing phase. So I am sure the dog has a clear understanding that the dogs knows what is expected.
I think you have a very high drive dog. Who is nice. Trying to show affection and ellict play. The dog has not learned how to do this these with manners. and is biting in approriate things. I have a dog that is exactly the same. biting everything and jumping on everyone. Because I likes that my dog wanted to play and greet. I chose not to discpline these things but redirect and withhold rewards till the proper behavior was preformed.
Remmeber if you discpline these things. the dog may associate play and greeting as whole is bad. and this may cause a multide of problems that are much worse.
My biggest problem with her is that I can not do anything in my house without her biting my arms and legs (not just little bites, she clamps down on them hard) rips my clothes that I have on and she is just constantly attacking me in this way.
Here are the things we have tried:
~Brought an obedience trainier to house, was taught several different things to try including making her sit instead of jumping up, putting her on a leash and giving her a tug when she tried to do it, and using a scruff shake on her.
~Tried just standing still and ignoring that she was there but she just bit me harder.
~Distracting her with a treat or a toy
~Giving her a tap on the nose
~Using a pinch collar
~Giving her chamimile tea to calm her down
~We're getting her fixed in 2 weeks because we heard that might calm her down
She knows how to sit and do alot of tricks and things but she won't listen if we try to correct her at something
Nothing has worked and she only does it when it's just me in the house. it really hurts when she attacks my legs. I have read books and magazines, looked for ideas on the internet, whatched tv shows but havent found a solution to my problem and I am really getting fed up and dont know what to do. It's to the point that I can not stand to be alone in the house with her.
Since your dog is very young, still a pup, you could try what works well for dogs themselves. When the dog bites or claws at you let out a loud, shrill, yelp like an injured puppy. Make it a startling, sharp sound, not soft and whiny. You'll be surprised at how many dogs simply don't realize that what they are doing is inappropriate but it is instinctive for most dogs to stop immediately and back off if they are rough housing with a puppy and it yelps. It may seem ridiculous but believe it or not it usually works. This will NOT work on a dog that intends to hurt you but should work on a dog that tries playing too roughly. Be consistent. Make sure that when you do want to play with the dog you play in ways that do not involve you physically wrestling with the dog.
added-don't worry, your dog will not begin to look upon you as a puppy. It is just a way of communicating that the biting is inappropriate in a way a young dog can understand.
***Edited By: arachyd on 1/16/2007 6:00:36 PM*** Reason: add
If she's only been with you for 4 months and you have tried all those different things I would guess you didn't stick with any of them very long. This won't be an instant fix. It will take time and if you keep switching methods I doubt you pup has had time to figure out what you want before you start doing something different again.