I might have a standard response, but that's not to say it wasn't true. I participate greatly in fighting BSL. I own a targeted breed. I don't tolerate anyone who feels these breeds are at fault just because of their breed. That's plaving the blame elsewhere.
BSL is a bandaid for a problem. It doesn't work.
If you dont like Pit Bulls because they are "so mean" then you haven't met any true ones. Delce into their history at the very least. Learn something about the difference between human and animal aggression. Almost all terrier breeds would be banned if there were dog aggressive breed bans. Many working dogs as well.
But this debate won't end. There will always be uneducated people out there ripping innocent family pets from their homes. And idiots who can't take proper measures and care of their dogs and get others in trouble in the process.
I can honestly say I don't know enough about the history of the pit bull to argue this subject. All I know is my femal APBT that my ex and I adopted is the sweetest dog I have ever had in my life. I have seen her get into a couple of brawls with other dogs - nothing extraordinary - but she has never ever ever not once bitten a person, or even gave the slightest hint that she would. Funny thing is, wherever we take her she clears a path for us. People give us a very wide berth. I have known many many pit bulls and very few of them ever showed any human aggression. I do believe that they can be animal aggressive, but I am convinced that a good pit bull, with a good owner, would never bite a person.
Good point Gunny, about the "folklore" of culling. I read many books and magazines about the breed and they all stated that. Have you read Richard Stratton's books? I don't know how you breed for animal agressivness, but they pretty obviously did a good job!
I know enough, I also know enough about breeding. I also am not agianst the pit bull nor do I want it banned. But people what are you trying to prove by saying it's not dogs fault, it's how they are raised. that is not true. If it were I could take any dog and make it a sch dog. but the fact is malinois excel at it. And can someone give me a refrence that it was the law of the land for pit breeders to cull the litters. labs are suppose to be natural retrievers, do all labs retrieve?
The big thing I see is your argument is weak. and it is not going to work. and if it happens, the bsl...the dogs are not ripped out of the homes...but fixed and no more liscense will be issued for that breed
heatherom, your dog is beautiful...I love the last pic of her, she looks so regal! I have no doubt she will continue to be sweet and wonderful for you...Thank you so much for socializing your dog and making her a positive advocate for the pit bull breed. Maggiesmom, be nice..you have no idea what kind of owners those people were, but its obvious that heather has taken great care of BiBi and trained her well.
***Edited By: rescuepups! on 9/3/2007 9:48:21 PM*** Reason: *
people with fighting dogs, I guarntee when the dog is out of the pit take great care of them. I also guarntee they are not running around, leaving the dogs in the yard. those dogs are valuable, they are protecting protecting them. The dogs biting humans and killingn humans are strays and family pets. I have yet to see a an article where a pitt from a fighting ring has been let loose to terrorize on the streets.
Husky, I ma not asking for a ban. stop the hysterics.
***Edited By: gunny on 1/15/2007 11:03:40 PM*** Reason: s
"Agian though, the ones that have attacked are generally good family dogs that "would never hurt anyone"
Actually, I have seen the opposite. Whenever I read about a dog attack in the paper, whether it is a pit bull OR ANY OTHER BREED, it usually also says that there have been warnings about the dog, people have been scared of it, etc. I think it is actually quite rare that someones "good family dog" attacks for no reason. Just another one of those old wives tales....
gunny i am not sure i understand your referencing folk lore as the breeds history. the APBT was bred specifically to be non human aggressive so that when two dogs were fighting in the pit, a human could go in and break them up without concern over being attacked and bitten. that is the history of the breed, its not made up.
i'm not sure they were bred specifically for ANIMAL aggression as they were bred for extreme prey drive and gameness. i believe it is those two traits that made them so good for the dog fighting ring. those two traits can be channeled into any direction, depending upon the person who owns the dog.
how many other breeds can we count, that have had their natural instincts, turned into a fear inducing temperament ? how many other breeds can we count, that have been destroyed due to overbreeding and popularity ?
how do we fix it ? i have no answer for that. as long as we humans continue to disrespect the breeds we have, and selectively breed them for the traits we desire only and not keeping them pure to their heritage, i doubt there is one answer.
My pit mix wouldnt hurt a fly. He is sweet and it is just the way they are taught. It is the owners fault not the dogs. Yes oits are capiable but with proper training and socialization they are sweet. It is the owners fault weather people like it or not!
Rescuepups, I wasn't trying to not be nice. I don't like the way that people get bashed sometimes and I don't want to do that. I don't doubt for a minute that she is a good owner and has a good dog, but the facts are that sometimes seemingly good dogs can turn for unknown reasons. Sorry if I offended anybody but I have had enough experience with dogs that I know what can happen. It is not always the way the dog is raised. If you go back and read my other post you will know what I mean. Also more times than not the dogs that attack are not dogs that anyone would expect to attack but were family pets.
thanks maggiesmom no apology needed sometimes things don't come out the way we mean...no biggie-I'm not into all the bashing either--too much drama, I agree that dogs can show very few outward signs before attacking, but they don't necessarily just snap. And it is NOT jsut pit bulls. I work with agressive dogs in the rescue. Last weekend, a woman brought in her golden that lived with her kids for almost 6 years and suddenly the golden just attacked the woman. No signs, she reached down to give him a treat and he went after her. He passed his temperment test with flying colors, no dominace issues, but yet something made him attack her. I don't think that we will ever know what made the pit you saw attack the woman or what made this golden do so, but pits always have a misconseption about them that they are so prone to attacking at any moment, but reality is there has to be a trigger for the attack. They are not bloodthirsty by nature. There are thousands of pits out there who are well-trained, loving companions who won't turn and attack and because of a few who do, the whole breed gets put down. Its just a sad situation that there isn't an answer too. No doubt there ARE aggressive pits, but there are also other aggressive dogs who are not targeted for the breed so they slide under the table. Like Scout said before, there is no one answer.
I don't take offense to any comments made in this post, and I can understand how someone would feel that pit bulls cannot be trusted. I just find it quite sad that it has all gotten to this point, and the bad reputation continues on. I think that the reputation that pit bulls have only serve to facilitate those that own or breed the dog for their menacing appearance and aggression. That's where the real danger lies. As long as people are afraid or paranoid of pit bulls, they will be used and abused to keep up that rep. It's counter productive to ban this breed because the responsible pit owners will suffer the consequence while the irresponsible ones continue to dodge the law and have the added status of owning a "banned" dog which they probably think is cool. I can only hope that bully advocates continue to educate the public and show off the good examples of the breed.
You are right. There are other breeds that attack and not just pits. I have a 5 lb toy poodle that is very cage aggressive and very sweet when he is out. I know that alot of it comes from how he was treated before I got him. He is getting better but has a long way to go. I would never want a family with small kids to have him because I have no doubt that he would bite if they moved toward him too fast. But I also have a 3 1/2 lb chihuahua that was well socialized that people are scared of because she acts like she weighs 120 lbs. I don't think she would bite but I never tell people that I know she won't because if I did then she probably would. I have learned never to say never.