In response to the comment on another thread that APRI will register anything (someone supposedly registered their pit as a lab thru APRI with a simple picture and letter from the vet).
My e-mail to APRI:
---------- Original Message ----------- From: email@example.com To: firstname.lastname@example.org Sent: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:24:49 EST Subject: (no subject)
> Hello. I have a 100% purebred Red Dachshund that comes from AKC registered > parents. The breeder was not selling the litter with papers though. If I were > to send you several excellent quality photos and a letter from my > veterinarian stating that this dog is indeed a purebred Dachshund could I > possibly register this Dachshund APRI? Now I am interested in APRI only, not a > branch-off. Thank you kindly for your time! > > Samantha Love > email@example.com_ (mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org) ------- End of Original Message -------
Subject: AKR Info Date: 1/18/2007 9:43:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time From: email@example.com Reply To: To: firstname.lastname@example.org CC: BCC: Sent on:
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APRI only registers purebred dogs with a pedigree; we cannot register your dog unless the breeder (owner of the dam at time of whelping) registers the litter and gives you a puppy paper. Since they did not do this, APRI cannot register your dog.
APRI recently acquired Academic Kennel Records (AKR); they will register your dog from photos and a statement. Since an AKR dog has no pedigree, it can not be transferred to APRI.
If you will send a complete mailing address, we will send AKR info.
Jerry W. Ferguson Director of Customer Relations America’s Pet Registry, Inc. (APRI). 10514 S & G Circle Harvey, AR 72841 Phone: 479-299-4418 (8-5 CST) Fax: 479-299-4417 (24 hours per day)
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Now I am interested in APRI only, not a > branch-off.
what does that mean, branch off ? i am also a little confused on something else. they say they acquired AKR, so i assume that now means they own that registering organization. so they still allow an offshoot of their company to register shady animals ? i am confused.
I had heard that they had aquired some other registry, which is what I meant by another branch. I wanted to make it clear in my e-mail to them that I was interested in registering a non-pedigreed dog with only APRI to prove that as far as APRI, with no pedigree it cannot be done.
They still allow Limited Registration (AKC) to be changed to Full Registration with their sham registry. If a dog is sold on a limited registration, there is a reason. This is just a sneaky and unethical way to get around it so the puppymillers and backyard breeders can register their dogs. Any "registry" that allows this sucks and is disreputable. Period,
do they need pedigree ONLY or registration papers as well? because anyone can order any pedigree from AKC website and take it to them and register his dog with someones pedigree.....without any proof of ownership
Their rule is that you must provide them with a copy of the current registration papers or the original copy of the reg. application. The registration that the dog currently has cannot be something like CKC (Cont.), it has to be from a registry that a background pedigree check can be done on.
ACK's rule that a dog sold with limited registration may not have it's litter(s) registered with AKC is AKC's own rule. You expect one business to go by another's rules. APRI's take on it is that too many breeders sell a puppy with an option of 2 different prices. Price XX if you want the puppy with full registration papers and price XXX if you don't want full reg. REGARDLESS of quality. They feel that if it is breeding quality then it should be sold as such (price wise), not the decision being made based on what one wants to pay. At least that is what I once read from a memeber. I do often more than not, see puppies priced like this. This is just basically charging a price for the papers.
Even if AKC were the only registration in the world, people that want to breed their limited reg. dogs would do so, regardless of a piece of paper. Where there's a will, there's a way. And legal wise there is nothing that can be done about it. A dog is considered property and one can do what they choose with their property (as long as there are no laws being broken) even if it means breeding the worst looking example of one's breed, and they had not "purchased" breeding rights and had agreed to have it fixed. That's just the way it is.
***Edited By: luvmydoxys on 1/18/2007 4:19:50 PM*** Reason: add
"You expect one business to go by another's rules."
Not particularly, but when one of their requirements is that a dog be AKC or similarly registered, then, yes. The AKC limited reg serves a viable breeder purpose and the APRI is basically saying they don't care about that purpose, and people should go ahead and breed willy-nilly dogs that their own breeder doesn't think are of breeding quality. Do ya think that might be why some people are registering with APRI in the first place?
An AKC-registered dog should have the same type of registration applied to it when registered with another registry.
"Not particularly, but when one of their requirements is that a dog be AKC or similarly registered, then, yes. The AKC limited reg serves a viable breeder purpose and the APRI is basically saying they don't care about that purpose, and people should go ahead and breed willy-nilly dogs that their own breeder doesn't think are of breeding quality. Do ya think that might be why some people are registering with APRI in the first place? "
Also, how "convenient" of the APRI to "acquire" another registry that will allow any dog to be registered, their way of being skeazy and try to make APRI out to be the good guys, even though they are taking on a second registry so they can try to maintain 'goodness' and still rake in the cash for any dog.
I have seen only a few breeders who charge different,y for the same dog depending on limited or full registration.I think as well that it is crap. Those are your BYB's who dont care about the quality they put out there, jut if they can get the extra buck. Litter and reg registration cost the same whther limited or full. It should be either breeding quality or not.
So, if they're not buying it for breeding purposes (and they shouldn't be if the breeder requires a limited reg), what's wrong with having that same limitation in other registries? If the breeder decides the dog should be sold with a limited registration (and the breeder, remember, is or should be responsible for that pup for its entire life), for whatever reason (not breeding quality, ability to sell the pup for less, not willing to take in the dog's progeny at any point), the buyer should honor that reason and not attempt to get around it by registering the dog somewhere else, IMO. That just smacks of chicanery, if you ask me.
"APRI's take on it is that too many breeders sell a puppy with an option of 2 different prices. Price XX if you want the puppy with full registration papers and price XXX if you don't want full reg. REGARDLESS of quality. They feel that if it is breeding quality then it should be sold as such (price wise), not the decision being made based on what one wants to pay. At least that is what I once read from a memeber. I do often more than not, see puppies priced like this. This is just basically charging a price for the papers."
It is against AKC rules to "sell papers" a breeder can get their rights to register taken away for doing so if they are turned in.
If the dog is not breeding quality then it should never be bred, period. That would be an honest breeder's take, and rightfully so. That understanding needs to be handled on the breeder's end, not policed by a registration service. A registration is simply to state the dogs bloodline authenticity. Here's an idea - if puppy mills and byb are using APRI to get around "limited reg." why doesn't AKC impose a new rule: Any breeder discovered registering "limited" dogs thru another reg. will have the AKC papers revoked from any AKC dogs they own. That would solve the problem. If AKC is having a problem with their limited dogs being registered elsewhere then AKC needs to fix their own problem, not expect another club to do it for them.
danemom- yes, I know it's against the rules. But it is done all the time. Just pick up a newspaper on a Sunday and look in the classifieds. Heck, you can probably find it being done by breeder's advertising right here on this sight.
Just a note here, as I don't want anyone to get the wrong impression about my take on people breeding the dogs they buy - I do not want ANY of my puppies that I sell to be bred. I want them all in loving, family homes as pets.