Question, I am one of the people that at times, offer certian puppies at a higher price for full registration-- or you could say a lower price for limited registration.
Ok, so there are always some in a litter that you REALLY wouldn't think should go in a breeding program, so those are limited and don't have the option of full registration. Right?
What about the nicer puppies in the litter that are of a quality that COULD be a good addition to a breeding program, or shown? So it is common to ask a higher price for a 'nicer' puppy. A puppy with more potential.
Should some one who is looking for a 'nicer' puppy, but just as a pet have to pay the higher price, when they just intend to have the puppy spayed/neutered as a pet? Or should they have the option of a lower price with the contract to spay/neuter?
It is all opinion on pricing, and I never understand why any one would price a litter all the same when they aren't the same quality-- but that is just me.
DAnemom that's interesting, I'd say there's about a 50/50 split between peopel who charge the same price for all their puppies and ones who charge more for dogs that have no disqualifying faults and have the potential to be show dogs. Most of those 'show quality priced' dogs also come with a co-ownership contract as well, since they are being released with full registration rights.
With that higher price is a basic guarantee from the breeder that the dog is free of any serious or disqualifying faults.
"Here's an idea - if puppy mills and byb are using APRI to get around "limited reg." why doesn't AKC impose a new rule: Any breeder discovered registering "limited" dogs thru another reg. will have the AKC papers revoked from any AKC dogs they own. That would solve the problem. If AKC is having a problem with their limited dogs being registered elsewhere then AKC needs to fix their own problem, not expect another club to do it for them."
I really don't think it should be an issue at all. If a breeder sells a dog with an AKC limited registration, the buyer should respect that, and so should any registries that the buyer may want to register the dog with. If the buyer want to be a dog breeder, they should buy a dog with a full registration.
I agree. I would be upset if some one purchased a dog under false pretenses with limited registration and then registered it some where else just so they could breed it.
On the same note, one registry should not be able to tell another registry what or what not to do. Just because they are bigger. I can also see the point of UKC-- and that if you want a dog spayed/neutered and not to be bred that should be up to the breeder and not the registry.
That is why there are puppy contracts. If some one did try to not spay/neuter a limited dog, and bred it in any way they would be in violation of MY CONTRACT and there is a $3000 penalty per litter. So, really I can see where a registry shouldn't have to do a breeders business.
Yes Ali, but unless you are one of the few that actually had their contracts drawen up by a lawyer, try and enforce it some states they are more accepted than others. Basically once the dogs has left your premesis it is no longer your dog to control but some states.
I have seen many many adds that charge more money for full registration than limited. But that is not the same as charging more for a better quality dog. Pretty much any add like that is a BYB, a real breeder would not let a dog with faults be sold with full reg. no matter how much money offered. these are people that have no clue of quality, they dont know what pup would be of standard, and often also brag about rare colors, and tea-cup size.
But, as said before, every breeder I have knowen charges more for show quality dogs. Often these dogs are around longer waiting to find out if they will retain their looks. And yes you are paying for the right to breed this dog, usually with many things in the contract to fulfill first. With Tonka we had 4 years to get his CanKC Ch, his health testing and were offered money back for each additional title he gained. Since shiba's are not commonly seen in obediance she wanted to get her puppy buyers to start getting them.
Being a breeder of AKC show dogs, I DO sell puppies with limited registration. If it is deemed pet quality, it will go with limited registration regardless of what the people are willing to pay for the puppy. I will sell a show puppy with limited registration to pet homes. Not all puppies CAN be bred. Having high quality AKC show dogs and working in the pet industry, I see several dogs of my breed that are registered APRI and are of the poorest quality and health. APRI is mainly used by Back Yard breeders and puppymills and people who just don't know any better and should not be breeding to begin with. There is FAR more involved that breeding the two dogs in front of you. You are re-breeding the entire pedigree and every faulty and defect. You must not only KNOW your dogs pedigree, but you should KNOW the dogs in the pedigree. Go to an AKC show or specialty show of your preferred breed and then judge your dog against that. Not all AKC dogs should be bred. I see several that are AKC that dont' look that does not look purebred, but some breeder gave them full rights and it only tears the breed. Each dog has faults, even the show dogs, but the byb's have even more and are poor example of the breed. Want to know if you dog is worth breeding? Stick it in a show ring and see how it does or if you get laughed otu of the ring. Ethical breeders use AKC LIMITED registration for a reason, not for the money aspect. Some do, but if you want to know, ask them why it's limited registration instead of full. If they tell you something other than money than you have your answer... Most breeders now make you sign a legally binding contract that you cannot register the dog with any other registries OTHER than AKC. Plus, they come with spay/neuter contracts! Sounds like there are alot of back yard breeders adn puppymills just generating a profit... It's sad.. Really truely is.. Oh, ask them why they bred those two particular dogs together adn what each parents faults are.. If they say the parents are perfect, RUN.. There is no such thing!!!