i know you are to pick them up and take them right out side even if they are still peeing- heres the problem, its winter and i have to get my boots and coat on- and by this time shes done peeing and looking at me like im a idoit as im trying to get all my winter gear on- i still do say bad girl and take her out but by that time im sure she has no idea what she did- when i take her out she does go- but she wont tell me she has to go when in the house i can normally tell by the way she acts or just timing i guess- but she will still have a few accidents a day it seems, but when i catch her well she pees right in front of me so no catching but when i see her peeing i cant get out side fast enough and the snow is butt high there is no way i can get out fast enough and i wont let her out on her own- for many reasons- we have huge mean neighbor dogs that daisy has tried to get over to thier yard barking at them so i keep her away from that side of the yard- and also we have coyotes from what i was told by neihbors to watch your dogs when you take them out- and i wouldnt just let either one of my dogs out by them selfs even for a minute- but is this the only way tho? to put her on the porch and hurry up and get my boots and coat on? and hope she doesnt make a mad dash for the neighbors? help!! theresa
Your not supposed to be talking to the dog (or any kind of attention) when you catch the dog peeing in the house. Confine her to a smaller area, and take her out more often, so she has a chance to pee outside and get rewards from you. Use a small crate, leash her to you or carry her around, or do a mixture of all of them.And take the dog for regular walks, walking stimulates a dog to go, it sounds like there is more walking around the house then the neighbourhood. The most important part is the rewards for going outside. And She doesn't know what "Bad girl means"
even when daisy is right with me she will still pee right in front of me, regardless if shes leashed to me or not shes just as close as she would be on a leash- we dont crate train. I was told by many ppl on this forum and from books ive read that when you catch them peeing you are to pick they up mid stream and take them right out side-. and yes they both get treats when they go potty out side and when they do go potty they do come running up to me for a treat as i am telling them good girl, good boy- weve been doing the treat thing for months. Yes my dogs do go out side and play and get exercise, no we dont walk around the block - we have a large yard and they are only tiny dogs, and playing in the yard is plenty of exercise for them, and they do also play in the basement for hours and also i take them out side and every time we go out they play for a good 15 minutes and then we will go out and play longer when it isnt so cold- which its below zero and they havnet wanted to go out side , barly to go potty they do and they are right back on the porch wanting to go in- and daisy can pee out side and bring her in and 10 minutes if that later she is peeing again. Bentley is house broken and daisy just doesnt seem to be as easy as bentley was- well bentley was easy but he learned alot faster. but they do get plently of play time and exercise. but im not going to walk them around out side when the snow its up to my knees and the wind is so bad they look like they are going to blow away, and my dogs are with me every where i am in the house, i bring them with me to each room im in and always have. we arent couch potatos in any means and we are always doing something- plus my children play with the dogs and boy do they play together all day long- so it isnt exercise that is the cause- i was just asking what am i to do when i catch her peeing, as im sitting right there and she will pee she isnt hiding and she isnt but 6 inches from me, and i always catch her because she is with me, i dont let her wonder around and all bedrooms and back of the house is blocked off to her, bentley jumps over the gate but he is potty trained and goes back on my bed to get away from daisy some times i assume. so she is just allowed in the kitchen and dinning room and living room which are all a open floor plan- so its all one big room and yes i do say bad girl and take her out side when she pees on the floor, i have never spanked her nad i dont yell at her, i use a stern voice as i was told to do. i guess each person does it diffent i guess, ive learned alot off of topics off this pet forum, so im trying- and she is doing pretty good but just wanted to know what to do when i cant just scoop her up because i have to get my boots and coat on before taking her out. and i do take them out alot all threw the day-
I'm not interested in what others have told you. You have just confirmed to me that she is peeing in front of you, to most likely receive some type of attention.
Being confined to a room is to much space(to much freedom). The crate is so that the animal is confined to a very small area, to small hopefully to move around and eliminate. Also the crate is used for periods of time to lengthen the bladder control. So the dog is being conditioned to hold its bladder. (slowly and gently) This all would not work for some pet store dogs that only have the option to pee and poop in their cage. Dogs are creatures of habit, but in this case the habit is peeing on the rug in front of you for attention, which is (talking to) (harsh or not) and picking the puppy up. It all goes together. The technique of picking a puppy up and takeing it out side may very well work for a perticular personnallity of animal, but not all dogs/puppies will respond the way we want. So, Im baseing what your saying with what I'm saying. When I said there is to much wandering in the house, a small room is enough to wander. Put a small crate out of sight, and for the next week, when you come in from outside, put the puppy in the crate for an hour or two, and then take out again, just repeat this for a few days. If there are any chances for the puppy to pee again in front of you on the carpet, your back to the drawing board. Carry some small treats with you outside, and watch the puppy, when she squats to pee, throw a small treat towards her to get, same for when she poops. Do that for one day. The next day, she only gets treats thrown at her when she is finished (immediately after) If by some strange chance she does manage to pee in the house, simply walk away, do not speak,touch or make eye contact. But when the two of you are outside and she goes, lay on the praise, but quickly and short. Leave her wanting more attention. Keep the trips outside frequent for the first few days, then start makeing the time between outings longer (in her crate) One thing you said is the puppy runs up to you to receive a treat after eliminateing, this isn't doing really anything, get closer and reward quickly after they have gone.Like I said make it quick and move on. Remember its about 1 hour per month, plus one.
Truthfully, I've found the best time to crate is bedtime. I put crates next to my bed and when they cry, we go potty. We don't play, we don't give kisses - we go potty and back to bed. Usually within 2-3 weeks I have a puppy that when not crated cries to let me know they have to go. (once, maybe twice a night in an 8 hour period. By 14-16 weeks they are sleeping through the night.)
I don't agree with the crate being out of sight. It's better if the dog can see you. But they don't get any attention when in the crate when they cry except potty breaks. If you know they don't need to go - ignore her. Potty breaks should be rewarding and pleasant, but not such a highlight that they are eager for the next potty break.
On that note - DO NOT play when you are on a potty break. If you have to take the dog back inside and then go back out, do it - but don't make a potty trip anything but a potty trip. Get Daisy to walk on a leash to go out the door so you're not carrying her. Tell her to go potty in a very ambivilent voice. When she goes, give her a pleasant "Good Girl - go potty". And leave it at that. Don't make it an event.
Her confusion is coming in the fact that she thinks going potty is the good thing - not the location. It gets her attention. If she has an accident, let her finish, ignore her, and get her to go outside.
I personally feel with crate training that the dog should never be in the crate more than it is out of it. I have a problem with people who crate a dog for 20 hours a day and say they are crate training. The dog learns it's crate is a wonderful place - but doesn't get nearly the socialization it needs outside the crate. Too many pet owners don't actually devote 4 hours a day to their dog with 100% attention and lots of activity.
Keep the room she is allowed in other than her crate small. Invest in an Excercise Pen/Play Pen. This is a nice alternative for when you can't crate as it's a bit bigger and is a good transition from small crate to big room as it limits freedom, but also challenges the puppy to consider a bigger area their den. It's also portable and can be moved from room to room as she is getting used to bigger areas.
I see sue's point and agree that learning bladder control is important - however, in small breed dogs, it's as much about physically gaining bladder control - which has something to do with how they mature physically. If their bladder isn't mature or is growing, they are going to have more control issues. I personally think the bigger challenge is getting the puppy to see the whole house as their den and understand the size of their den is larger. No matter how much bladder control the dog has, if it thinks it's den is supposed to be really small, they will go in the house when they do have to go.
Not all puppies learn the same, some personnalities react and learn quicker then other dogs/puppies. So in this case haveing this puppy in a crate, and waiting for it to cry and then let it out would be asking for trouble becasue now were teaching the puppy that crying in the crate gets you attention.This is already a problem? Puppies and dogs should get used to people comeing and going while in a crate. We can't expect a puppy to know between attention that is for potty and just becasue they want out of the crate, that isn't fair./ Considering their mentality. In this case the puppy is a little older, but in general small dogs can be house trained just fine if the owner is consitant, and dedicated. Everydog, just like children will take different amounts of time to be house trained. If in that time you lack in consistancy, the puppy may start a new habit of going in an inapproprite place, its not necessarily becuase the puppy is a smaller breed. Its all more about behavior molding, reather then trying to convince an animal that "Its bad to Pee in the house"Or that the house is "its Den". On another note this brings me to the crate issue, I do beleive the crates shouldn't be used to much, if the owner is consistant and dedicated it won't take to long, Everything should be planned from the house training, Outs, socialization periods to training. Technically there is no reason an owner can't play with a puppy after it eliminates, this would simply speed up elimination. It would be similar to useing a special treat, but if the treat is given at the exact moment the animal is finished, your marking the event with a positive assocaition(BM-TREAT) Dogs/puppies don't see things as "right and wrong", only we do that.If she pees, its simply something she does to get a response.(or because she has to go, and no one is taking her out before she went) A 2 year old child doesn't see the world like we do, their behavior is innocent and basic, dogs never get past the mentality of this age, so a puppy would be even less.