We are supposed to be going down south next weekend in hopes of getting my fiance's dream dog...a White Boxer. He's always wanted one. A magazine we have says we shouldn't AKC register it, even if the parents are because it doesn't meet Boxer standards. Many Boxer owners with White dogs say that we can AKC register a white Boxer, if both parents are AKC. We aren't worried about participating in shows or competitions. We want a cute loving house pet...and that is what this one will be. She said if we must register it that we can register it with ACA, but she will not allow it to be registered with AKC since it's not of standard. I just don't know what to do. Please help
A dog can be registered, and be out of standard, it just cannot be shown. If the breeder is telling you that, then I'd choose a different breeder. The ACA doesn't do anything and isn't much of a registry at all. Provided, registration isn't everything, if this is your breeder saying these things, it says something about them.
You can register the dog with the AKC. You just cannot show it in conformation shows. Don't waste your time or money on the sham registries like APRI, ACA, ConKC, etc. They give nothing back but are sure glad to take your money. At least the AKC does something constructive with the money they make, i.e. medical research, scholarships, etc.
The white boxers and health problems are myths. This one can hear just fine and is not blind. He's the cutest thing. They sun burn more easily than other Boxers of color, but they have no more health problems than any other boxer, that is why it's so important to vaccinate and deworm and keep on schedule. The breeder says her dogs have been health checked and she's been breeding Boxers for 15yrs and says it's only the white ones she doesn't allow to be registered with AKC. She said that we could speak with her vet and she has referrences to give as well and guarantees her pups for 1yr. She also says that she's very careful with which dogs she breeds and only breeds the ones that shows the true fun loving temperament of the Boxer breed. I've asked her tons of questions and am not done asking. I've come across the same answer with breeders referred to me by AKC, that we shouldn't register the white ones. Is registration of a dog really necessary if all you want is a pet and don't plan on breeding it or showing it?
No, you don't have to register a dog if you are not going to breed or show. You can just keep it as a loving pet and make sure to get it fixed! But why is she breeding white boxers if she is so against it being "out of standerd" Also ask her what health testing she has done! And ask for proof of the testing that she has had done!!
We are just trying to be very careful from who we buy from. She wasn't purposely trying to breed white boxers. The sire and dam are both fawn (I belive one is flashy). They have some white, but less than 1/3 white. She wasn't expecting any white pups, but got them. And that is what my fiance wants. All Breeders that I've talked to only guarantee their pups for a minimum of 1 yr. Some allow AKC but some don't with the white pups, and according to the books and magazines that is to be expected. What questions should I ask her about health checks. I know I should ask for reports and stuff, but should I just look for common problems that Boxers have such as cancers, bloat and heart defects? This is only the second litter that she's had white pups in from my understanding. What should we look for when we go to her site? I mean I know we should look around and make sure it's clean and be leary if she doesn't show us sire dam or both, and we should be able to feel the ribs but not see them, and the dogs shouldn't be fearful. She says she is dead against puppy mills and inbreeding like they often do and she doesn't house the dogs together. She has a separate breeding kennel and a 3 room whelping house. Some of the dogs that she breeds are sires or dams of friends that she breeds with her own dogs. We are just afraid to go down there and be disappointed. Here is a great website that just spoke to my heart that may answer more questions http://www.goboxerrescue.com/tankerspeaks.htm
***Edited By: IluvBoxers on 2/19/2007 3:00:10 PM*** Reason: adding link
the web page was nice but had miss information. The color of a dog can affect the health. Look at what happens when you breed 2 doubble dapple winnie dogs together. Dalmations with more white on there ears have a bigger chance of being deff.
Also im almost sure you can regester any pure breed dog with Akc as long as both parents were regestered. Even if its a dane with one leg, 3 heads, and 12 eyes.
I'm gonna trade this life for fortune and fame I'd even cut my hair and change my name
Why does she house all of her dogs seperately? Why are there so many whelping places, does she have more than two litters at a time? If so, then I'd definitely stay away. Does she work or show her dogs? Ask to see the other pups from the litter. Ask to play with the parents, too, make sure they are nice and active and social. If you see anything you're unsure or skeptical about, ask. A good breeder won't hide the answer from you.
I would like to see a longer guarantee, since 1 year isn't very long, and most aren't done growing at that time. Many health issues take longer to show up than just a year, as well. And unfortunately,all too many breeders who give short guarantees also give no help or advice to the buyers after that time runs out.
Regardless, good luck. More accurately though, talk to breeders who have experience with white Boxers than just whelping one or two in their years. Registering a dog out of standard isn't a crime but those telling you not to do it seem to think it is close to it. Just having the dog spayed/neutered would insure a lot more than saying not to register it.
First off, you really should not consider any breeder who doesn't offer a genetic health guarantee of at least two years, and preferably longer. At the very minimum, you should only buy a dog from a breeder that has OFA records/certifications for the dogs hips and elbows, CERF for the eyes, and a examnation by a board certified canine cardiologist for the parent dogs they're breeding. If they can't offer you that, find another breeder. And I would *never* recommend a breeder that doesn't register their boxer with the AKC. IMHO, if you are interested in buying a dog of a breed that *can* be AKC registered, then it *should* come from AKC registered parents.
Regarding registration of white boxers, while the color is out of standard, the national breed club for boxers, the American Boxer Club, in Sept 2005, changed their code of ethics (read it here http://www.americanboxerclub.org/ethics.html )to allow for breeders to sell and register white boxers with the AKC under limited registration papers. Before then, they didn't want litters with white boxers registered, or white boxers registered with the AKC at all. I suspect many breeders just euthanized these white pups, because according to the old code of ethics, the pups couldn't be sold or given away (even if someone were interested in buying them), couldn't be registered, or anything else, which is pretty darned stupid.
However, there was a huge outcry about it among both breeders and prospective buyers who were interested in doing obedience, agility and other performance events in the AKC, all of which require at the bare minimum, limited registration papers for the competing dog. A good breeder will require that the predominantly white boxer (which comes up occasionally even in responsible breedings) be spayed/neutered before issuing the limited AKC reg papers.
I say find another breeder, personally, one who's staying with the new code of ethics.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 2/19/2007 7:10:39 PM*** Reason: add
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
Minniyar-- I know that MOST show people and people with Champion stud dogs state right in their stud agreements that they WILL NOT register white puppies with AKC. Those puppies must go with out papers.
In the rare occasions that I have white puppies, if the stud owner allows, I do register them with limited registration and spay/neuter agreements. If the dog is spay/neutered I don't see what the point of NOT having them registered. On the other hand, I know a lot of 'older' breeders that simply don't believe in registering them. Maybe they don't want the white puppies traced back to their lines.
Op and others--White boxers are very very rarely truly albino. Most are genetically fawn or brindle (even if they have no color or spots), but just very over-marked.
There are a lot more whites that have hearing problems or deafness in one or both ears. Deafness in one ear is not always caught at a young age. The other thing I notice is that they do burn more easily and SOME seem to have a lot more skin issues and allergies in general.
That is not to say that a white boxer wouldn't make just as good of a pet as it's colored litter-mate, but be prepared for possibly more health issues or maybe even a shorter life-span.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
The fact that white boxers are more prone to deafness and skin problems is not a myth. In fact, other mostly white breeds/dogs have common problems linked to their fur color, i.e. Dalmations, Dogo Argentino, etc. It's a gene thing, I believe.
Thank you all for your great advice! It may change our mind in getting a white pup. If we do then we may wait and get one from our local boxer rescue. I talked with the lady that had the white pup today. Something just didn't settle right with me or my fiance. She said she's been breeding for 15yrs and she's never had any major health problems with her dogs. She said one had a problem with hip displaysia and her white Boxer (not used for breeding) got sunburn on her eyelids, but other than that she's had no problems with other major problems that Boxers often have like cancer, heart defects and bloat. I've been told by breeders (even ones that don't have litters at this time and no plans for them) to stay away. They refer to someone like her as backyard breeder. I also went to her website and did completely read the entire thing. She withheld a pup from one litter to add to her breeding stock. Not saying that she is inbreeding dogs, but it could happen. I just don't feel right and I think I should trust my gut and your all's advice on this. I'm trying to talk him out of this one. Don't want to throw away 500+ on a 3hr trip and a dog that doesn't come with papers and risk losing him because of problems that inbred dogs have. Also saw where she said that her White Boxer was AKC, CKC, and APRI registered. I know for fact from reading the AKC website that there is no way because AKC will not accept those registries. I did happen to get in contact with a breeder who just had her first litter and says she had 11pups and has 8 left...no whites but all adorable. Ravennr: She houses the males separate from the females (adults) and then when she wants to breed them she puts the two dogs into a breeding kennel. When the dam is very close to whelp date she then moves dam to a 3 room whelping house where she stays and delivers and is with her pups til they are weened - usually about 6wks. She says the parents of these are on site and that we can talk to her vet and view certificates and reports and talk to others who have bought from her in the past. I am just concerned because her website is not updated and her site shows all these dogs (they are beautiful and look healthy), but she says that she retires them at 5yrs and has placed(in the last 2yrs) 5 of her retired dogs in other homes. I've never heard of such a thing. My parents had a dog when I was little and they used him as a stud with his doggy lifemate for 11yrs.
The breeder refuses to register the pups becuase by their COE with the Boxer Club of America and by the whole white boxer issue they are not supposed to. They shouldn't do things to make it easier or more desierable to breed the white pups. You will meet many who will alter before placing.
The breeder isen't doing anything horrible. If you are not doing anything but having a pet the dog doesn't need to be registered.
The pup is out of a fawn x fawn breeding. Whites happen in boxers sometimes as much as a third of the time when dealing with flashy breeding. Whites happen, its how its handled. This breeder sounds rational enough by not allowing the AKC registration. The AKC even has a site now for you to list you sold a pup without papers.
On the best of days a dog is a dog, and on the worst of days a dog is a dog.
Personally. I do not understand why some breeders feel the need to re-home dogs that are 'too old to be bred'. To me, it just seems like many of them are wanting to make more room for breeders, and less room for anything else.
Also, everything I have researched and been told on white Boxers has said that the percentage with problems of deafness is similar to that of Dalmatians in numbers, which is low considering their numbers. I'm surprised that in 15 years, this breeder has only produced 2 white puppies though, if she is breeding flashy/flashy more often than not.
I think you are doing the right thing! We have had a lot of skin problems with our little girl and wi her being pure pitt the vet told us that may have to do with the breeding. I hope you find what you are looking for. Another great resource is Petfinder.com you can even look up only boxer if you like =)
We are really excited. We aren't getting a dog from that one lady. I actually decided to go through petfinder instead. We found an adorable all white female boxer/spaniel mix. Sire is AKC pure white boxer that got sneaky with a spaniel female. The owner of the spaniel surrendered the pups at 7wks to a no kill shelter. We have to drive 3hrs to get it, but she's worth it. They are only going to hold her until 12p on Sat. We can't wait! If I can't have an AKC registrable dog then I'd rather have a pound puppy...and she's getting fixed tomorrow.
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