Perhaps it's in the way you read it. She was attacked for being in a hurry when the beginning states she has been waiting months!! I did not find the first post offensive, someone merely venting about the frustrations of rescue! I do understand you can't drop everything and respond at peoples beck and call but I do think a curtousey email or call to let someone know there has been great interest in the dogs there and possibly put her on another waiting list. That could be a future possible home for another dog! I do agree the rescues are always saying about the abundance but they don't follow up with everyone! I have contacted a few rescues with no response too and it is frustrating. And I agree with JoanEK, the original poster gets banned, what about the next two posters, where they banned? They should of been due to there tone, it was clear!!!
( "This could be a person that just wants a dog. She is not the first nor the last to express frustration in the adoption system. It seems like if people really wanted to save as many dogs as possible they would have very few restrictions on families and just make sure the animals they adopt out were altered and micro-chipped.")
Why does this statement not surprise me alicat?, I guess it because it is coming from someone who breeds mixed dogs an has little understanding of the commitment made by rescue when an animal comes in. Each and everyanimal that comes into rescue is made a promise... "We will do our best to see that you and your life is respected"
That means most good rescues will NOT place a dog in a home where it is 1. Chained outside 2. left at risk unsupervised in a yard. 3. bred to death. 4. left to starve. 5. beaten 6. Crated for hours on end. 7. Will not recieve vet treatment when and what is needed and many other things... yes the list is long, but the fact is we take in these dogs, we restore them to health and in doing so we have a responsibilty to see that they get only the best of the best. While there are ppl out there breeding mixes indescriminantly for the mighty dollar the least rescue can do is take responsibilty for the lives that come under thier care. Unlike certain ppl, rescues DO NOT do what they do for a fast turn over.
www.all44paws.org I will take your unwanted animals. give them the attention needed. If they have endured too much I will help them to Rainbow Bridge, Because I Care.
I would also like to clarify-- I meant people being denied due to things like; income, work schedule (if they have a plan to let the dog out), lack of yard, children under 5 (EVERY CHILD and family is different--but some rescues have a flat DISCRIMINATION policy towards children). I have also noticed many purebred rescues only adopt in their immediate area.
I was disagreeing and referring to most *flat* restrictions or denials. Where you don't really even get to know the person, but based on one reason alone refuse to adopt them a waiting dog or puppy.
Lastly, I just come from a different perspective. I feel that even many *good* families are 2 or 3 major life tragedy/traumas away from disaster or a situation that may keep them from being able to have a pet. I have learned that even a 25 page home study approved by the Court and specialists from the state capital--fall through.
I think it is naive to think that rescue workers have all the answers--which some times they think they do. I think it is basically a God complex that some get.
I still think, give nearly every one a chance and then maybe do a brief 6 and 12 month follow up. I repeat myself saying, when rescues deny families the do NOT stop them from getting a pet, they just stop an animal from being rescued.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
Why is it that some people get *time outs* for being directly rude to *the chosen* yet others can be rude to people maybe that the mods disagree with? Rude is rude.
I know it must be hard to be impartial, but I thought that was what moderation and mediation were supposed to be about.
Flip-- The *rescue folk* on here sure like to tell what breeders should or shouldn't do-- but heaven forbid some one who raises dogs make comments their rescue system. Say what you want, I don't think much of you either.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
I meant to reply to this thread earlier yesterday, but I couldn't get my thoughts together.
I guess I'm one of the few that didn't see the first post as offensive or hostile. I saw a frustrated person that needed to vent. I believe she's tried to take the advice of several people on here and seek a rescued animal instead of purchasing one from another source. Perhaps she was unaware of the time and patience needed to adopt dogs from rescues.
I won't bother to suggest changes to those involved in rescue organizations. I applaud all of your efforts. I understand there's more to it than what meets the eye. I would however like to take the opportunity to ask that you step outside of your rescue and see a regular ole person that wants a dog. I'm sure she isn't alone in her frustrations. Perhaps some of her gripes (as well as others) could be taken into consideration. Maybe you can get together with other people you work with to see if there's anything more that can be done to minimize some of the issues those of us who don't work within rescue organizations have. No, I'm not asking you to cater to people-I know the animals you serve are your first priority, but I don't think re-evaluating the way things are done is a far fetched idea. Who knows, it may assist in reducing the amounts of people who rush out to buy from the millers that are fought against.
gopmama2, "To all of you who have preach endlessly to me and others about the joys of rescuing and what horrible human beings people are who buy a dog from a breeder (especially a non-purebred),"
Unfortunately for the late arrivals to this thread, there were several threads since the first part of January with this OP. Those familar with those past threads know about the hostility involving this OP.
Had this same topic thread been started by another member, I highly doubt that there would have been any "time outs" given by mods, less judgments by other members, etc.....
I like him a lot better than I like most people. To you he's a dog. TO me he's an adopted son who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these. <
I'm familiar with older threads the OP posted on, but I take each post on an individual basis. I try to not let someone's thoughts/actions in the past interfere w/how I think now. Like I mentioned, I think she did try to take advice that was given to her via the older threads. I really do. I do not see hostility in this thread specifically. I saw it as a vent.
gopmama - i am sorry you have had such a hard time trying to find what will suit your families needs in a rescue organization.
i am also sorry that you have had such an unpleasant experience with rescue groups. unfortunately, some rescue groups are god like when it comes to adopting out animals, and quite honestly, i doubt there would be a single home on earth that would meet their criteria. its a shame because i do believe it does cost some animals their lives. maybe not the life of the animal in question, but the life of another animal that could be taken out of a kill shelter and fostered, if the animal in question went to a home.
good luck with your new puppy. i hope it turns out to be everything you wanted.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
I did not have time to read every post. Just have to say, we have a cute shihtzu in our rescue right now. California. Wether people like it or not, we basically are interviewing the potential owner in proxy of the dog. It can't talk for itself, so we find out its needs and weed out the ones that do not fit its needs. Like, telling a family, that works 8 hours that the dog needs access to the yard, not potty pads, when it has not got a clue what they are. And nobody there to teach it thru the 8 hours. So many odd examples. Little kids are usually a no no with the little toy dogs in our rescue. But if you the right fit, we tell ya right away. Then the home check.
Whoever said you can't buy happiness, must have never owned a dog!!!!!!!!!!!
I would not want to wait around 3 month-1yr for a dog I am ready for now, just because there are none currently in surrounding shelters.
I wanted a schnauzer, I wasnt gonna wait around until one popped up, so I went with a breeder. No harm with that. So what if she gets the dog from somewhere else.
And the whole "saving a life" thing, to me is a load of BS. Who is to say a puppy from a breeder (reputable or not) would, when it's gotten to big or whatever, will be dropped off somewhere? Yes not all breeders are like, but who knows. The breeder having these pups, could be an accident or whatever. Who cares. She's not gonna wait around just because 'we' told her to.
There's way too many excuses being made. Too many scenarios being brought up are things that would only happen once in a blue moon, if that.
And as far as being denied because of your work schedule or property...good. Why should someone who works 15 hour shifts be looked at before someone who only works 8? Why should someone with an open yard even be considered before someone with a fenced in yard?
There's no need to make excuses for someone who is only out to try and prove that bad breeding is okay when the shelter is crossed out as an option. And no reason for there to even be a thread on this at all, especially since many people who are educated enough know that sometimes it is best to wait. That just because you want it now now now doesn't mean it's the best idea.
raven I totaly agree and i dont think it could have been said any better.
The only problem i have is alot of shelters wont adopt to people with kids. I know that some dogs were abused by kids in the past, or have never been around kids, Thats fine they shouldnt go to a home with kids. I also know some kids are a little rough with kids, thats fine as well they shouldnt place a small dog in a home with kids like that. But not all kids are like that. I think they should screen the kids as well. Watch how they interact with the dog. It may take a little more time but most of them do home inspections and have them come up to see the dog befor they get it so they can bring the dog on thee inspection and watch the kid and go interact and they can watchthem when they come to see the dog. it may take a little longer but I think it would be better in the end. That way the ones that dont adopt to kids right now will be able to adopt out more dogs and the ones that do adopt to homes with kids dont have to worry about the dog getting hurt.
I'm gonna trade this life for fortune and fame I'd even cut my hair and change my name
So this is your opinion today Mere? Maybe I should write this down? I'm having a hard time keeping track of how often you change your opinion on these issues.
And to everyone saying that they do not see the tone where the op was obviously looking to pick a fight, read near the end where the comment about deleting this thread was made. Exactly how many people read this thread wrong?
The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike, than those who think differently.-Friedrich Nietzsche
I can’t figure out for the life of me how my telling my story of trying to find the right dog and disagreeing with so many of you of how easy it is to get a rescue dog is as Pope1982 said, “littered with insults and hostility.” Where? The insults and hostility I see is in a good deal of the responses. What I was pointing out is that there is an incredible inconsistency in what many of you say is true about the availability of dogs of the kind I’m looking for, but what my experience has actually been. If so many of you are right, then like I was trying to say, it should be easier to find a dog to adopt. Why is it hostile and rude for me to say that? Is it really my “tone” or that I’m pointing out something that shouldn’t be discussed?
It may be easier to respond in bullet fashion to some of the answers I received:
Pyrmom: You suspended me for 24 hours until I could show more respect? How in the world did I show disrespect with my original posting by pointing out the issues and problems I spoke of and voicing my frustration? You also said something in another post about how I persistently insult people, am rude and challenge the moderators decisions? As for insulting other people, can you give me any examples of me insulting people or being rude? I don’t do that and have many times tried to get people to be civil to each other in discussing things we disagree about. You must be confusing me with someone else. Yes – I have been challenging moderators about this recent trend toward using censorship to eliminate unpopular minority opinion in discussions. I find it alarmingly undemocratic. I do not understand how people like Irishacres can get away with the things he says to people all the time and never gets castigated for it. I have an unpopular opinion and I question the wisdom of some of these shelter / rescue rules.
Pope1982: you have no basis upon which to assume that I haven’t done any research. I have done plenty. I have been looking for several months already and am not willing to wait much more than one more. If you find that to be a need on my part for “instant gratification,” I disagree. You have no idea of the horrors and griefs I have been through personally in the last two years and I don’t think wanting a little dog to keep my company during the day when I'm by myself and cheer me up makes me a terrible and selfish person. As far as my age, I’m old enough to be your mother.
Flip195: I would welcome a home visit if anyone wanted to drive here to do it. The requirements I’m talking about are no pets to homes with children under a certain age, which is 12 in my area, no dogs to homes without a fenced in yard and having to live within a certain distance of the adopting facility. Some of these may make sense in some circumstances, but a blanket approach results in more euthanasia instead of adoptions. I think it useful to talk about whether overkill in rescue / shelter adoption rules is killing more pets or saving them. I agree with the person who talked about how some of the rescue people have “God complexes.”
Pearl: I agree that it would be more helpful if I could be more flexible. My medical condition, however, is rather dictating what I need if I am to get a dog that is a good fit for us. I can’t explain here except to say that I need a small dog.
Irishacres: I’ve told you in the past that I found your posts, which never get you timed out, by the way, as being so incredibly mean and childishly insulting that I wish to have no communication with you. You told someone how in other posts I was the one who was insulting? Are you kidding? I have been Henry Kissinger compared to you. I have always tried to maintain civility and discussion without name calling. You are always the exact opposite and then you accuse me of this? I'm astounded.
Scout1: Thank you. Enough said.
Monkeybutt and Iloveboxers: I have been checking Petfinders for ages every day. There are plenty of dogs there, but very few in my area. The problem isn’t screening and not enough time for screening. Like someone else talked about, small dogs are very hard to get via rescue because they are so popular. Not that many of them are given up and when they are, they are very quickly taken. I assure you, I would never buy a dog from a pet store in a million years. If I get one from a breeder, it will be the best one I can find.
The other person who criticized me for not getting to the vet who was offering the pets sooner. If you read my OP, I explained that. The name of the vet wasn’t available to me in the email I received – just some contact numbers and an email address. I contacted all repeatedly but could only leave messages. It wasn’t until the next day that the phone numbers then answered with a message saying that almost all the dogs were gone and giving a vet’s number for more info, which I called immediately.
sorry i just glossed over that. bottom line is you do know your medical needs, and what personality you need. a dog that isn't a good fit may wind up not being able to stay. good luck, around me here there is a "puppy rescue" that is not really a shelter, they take in puppies and adopt them out on weekends only during certain hours, they are all in a group on the weekends only. anyplace around you like that? are you anywhere near denver?
***Edited By: pearl on 2/23/2007 5:27:16 PM*** Reason: x