I love minpins, They are so cute makes me miss Mr.Bill.

Hey, on a forum that I had posted earlier "breeding or breeders" you had stated that:

"If your not showing, working or hunting, etc...then your basically raising them as family pets correct?
Go to a local shelter and see how many lovely family pets only are already there waiting to die."

Which is quite funny since you just wrote me and said that the not "good enough" min pins that you cannot show will be sent for, "family pets"

"Hi, I have orders for the ones who will turn out for show. I dont usually have any show quality pups available for sale, they either are spoken for from other show breeders or I show them myelf. If any of them turn out not show quality then they will be placed for sale to pet homes." (from the PM you wrote)

Now im only assuming that you will be selling these dogs. For profit. And I was wondering why wouldnt you follow your own advice and go look in a shelter yourself and see how many lovely pets are waiting to die as you put it.

Concerning my breeding or breeders topic question I gathered that you agree with only show or work breeding however, the leftover dogs that wont show or work get sold. Making you a profit. Which makes me think that you are in it for money just like puppy millers. The only difference is you claim that you do proper health checks. Someone else on that same forum said something about hobby breeders shutting down other breeders because of hobby breeders wanting to control that market. Which I think I am starting to agree with..

If it wasnt for my love of dogs I would want all of you to be shut down. Its not even for the good of the dogs or for people to have the love of a pet anymore its to fatten peoples wallets. To be honest I think it was quite contradictory of you to say: that if they arent bred for showing work or hunting then it would be done for pets then preach on about shelters.. Then in fact turn around and do it yourself.

The fact that you breed for showing, knowing that not all of the litter would be good enough to show, tells me right there that its for money. Because you know that when the "leftover" dog comes out you will be able to sell (high) if you say they come out of show dog parents.

By the way cute dogs...

Wow, we are out looking for an arguement?
I am happy to share points of view with you anytime, as we were doing on the other thread. We need not come here to ruin a simple thread showing the pups to those who know me and were interested in seeing them.

If you want to play copy paste PM's then why not address me here instead of playing with PM's?

Now, out of all the breeders here who have also made the same comments on the other thread as me....you for some reason just had to single me out, although I owe you no explanantion of how things really go in the dog world as you seem so clueless to....I will humor you a little bit.

"Now im only assuming that you will be selling these dogs. For profit. And I was wondering why wouldnt you follow your own advice and go look in a shelter yourself and see how many lovely pets are waiting to die as you put it."


For profit? anyone who knows about a true reputable breeder knows that when you do place your pups, if you did the things a good breeder should, once all costs are factored in,,,,there is no 'profit'.
For your information: I have gone to the shelters and pounds and have seen the dogs there....explains why I also do rescue.
I do have rescues that I own as well, ones that have been taken in and for one reason or another found their home right here with us....mixed breeds by the way.....to kill the snooty purebred thing ahead of time.


"the leftover dogs that wont show or work get sold."


I dont have 'leftover' dogs as you put it. They are my babies and family pet first and formeost, none are considered leftovers....we are not talking about a bad meal here. I will happily keep my 'leftovers' with me for life if need be.
Not every puppy out of a litter is going to turn out show quality. The ones that are for one reason or another not considered to meet show standards are placed in pet homes....well, duh, are we suppose to euthanize them because they didnt turn out for show? Is that the answer you want? Any pup that leaves here are going with families that I have spent sometimes months talking to and screening to make sure it is going to a great forever home. I stand behind any pup I breed....period!
It is to be spayed/nuetered and also under a lifetime return policy....I dont care if this pup is 13 years old and the owner needs to bring it back...it is welcome. My dogs to the best of my ability will not end up in the shelters/rescues/pounds.


"The fact that you breed for showing, knowing that not all of the litter would be good enough to show, tells me right there that its for money."


Well first of all you have no idea what I sell my pups for, and let me tell you it is not making me a profit when all the expenses are said and done.
It is impossible to say that every pup in a litter is going to be show quality and turn out a champion, any breeder that claims they can turn out 100% champions in their lifetime of breeding is simply dishonest.

So your saying improving a breed of dog so as to have the future generations be the best they can be in health, mental and physical aspects is a bad thing?

And what would you have breeders do with any pup that is not going to turn out as a show quality dog? Because apparently you think we should not place them in homes.

Enlighten me.

***Edited By: lpn169 on 3/13/2007 1:22:56 AM***
Reason: trying to fix all the bold

wow lovemybabiedogs. some of your statements are downright ignorant. NO breeder has litters where every pup is show quality. that is why they may keep one or two pups that they choose to show,or sell to show homes, and the other pups that do not have show potential are sold to pet homes.
this thread was to show the new babies. not for being called out and contradicted. whats your purpose for hyjacking it. good lord. some people.........

wow lovemybabiedogs. some of your statements are downright ignorant. NO breeder has litters where every pup is show quality. that is why they may keep one or two pups that they choose to show,or sell to show homes, and the other pups that do not have show potential are sold to pet homes.

Yes I know that no breeder has litters where every pup is going to show.. Thats my point, that fact that someone (lpn)bred knowing that all pups wont be show dogs.. shows me they already have in the back of their head a big fat huge $$$ because they know the non show dogs or leftovers as I call them will sell as long as they add in the add itself "born from quality show dogs!" And yes I know they will be SOLD to PET HOMES where lpn informed me that many pet dogs are in rescue centers not getting a home! That was my point I was trying to get across. He told me breeders that bred for pet homes shouldnt because there is to many in shelters as it is. Then he posted this forum saying to me that his LEFTOVERS will be sent to PET HOMES! No I was not looking for an argument but I saw someone being contradictory of themselves and called them out.. And if I read another like lpn not only will I want to puke because they are fake but I will also state my opinion! They are wanting someone to stoke thier ego and be told how wonderful it is to have pups and how great it is. And you cannont tell me that those dogs wont make him a profit. He/she wills sell absurdly high because they came from show dogs!

And what would you have breeders do with any pup that is not going to turn out as a show quality dog? Because apparently you think we should not place them in homes.

Enlighten me

I'd love to enlighten you lpn STOP BREEDING! I agree the pup should be sold to a good home in the case of you breeding and having leftovers. However, If people like you werent breeding that problem wouldnt exist. The shelter dogs would get a home because your show dogs wouldnt be filling their spots. Same goes to BYB and millers STOP BREEDING get the shelter dogs homes then start again. (Preferably just show or reputable breeders!) However that wont happen because even though people like you claim its for the dogs when its for money.. And you cant deny it, why else would you breed, people buy dogs from you to show if they are of show quality. And you show. But you make money all the while.. Would you ever quit breeding.. I highly doubt it. You cant just have one or two prized show dogs.. no you have to have ten because your making the money off the rest that are being sold to others to show and they ones that are going to pet homes (or should I say replacements for shelter dogs)

OMG!!!! Could they be any cuter?!?!?! I am squealing over here! Gosh, if I hadn't just adopted this puppy I now have I'd be asking you to save one for me. ;) I hear Min Pins are feisty little critters...is this true? The Boston/Rat Terrier mix I had as a kid was a firecracker for sure, and she reminds me of the Min Pin if you replaced the brown or red with white.

First, you obviously are a clueless person so why try.

"Thats my point, that fact that someone (lpn)bred knowing that all pups wont be show dogs.".

Duh....ok if you are at all educated about breeding QUALITY dogs, you can breed 2 champions together and not
get an entire litter of show quality pups. It simply doesnt happen that way.


"shows me they already have in the back of their head a big fat huge $$$ because they know the non show dogs or leftovers as I call them will sell as long as they add in the add itself "born from quality show dogs!"

You have never seen an ad of mine, you have no idea how my ads read. Again, let me clue you in.....doesnt matter if a puppy came from show quality parents....a pet is a pet is a pet. There is no, this is a pet, but a high quality pet so therefore you have to pay more. Dont make assumptions about those you know nothing about.

"No I was not looking for an argument but I saw someone being contradictory of themselves and called them out"

I didnt contradict myself...so therefore your big bad 'call-out' is a flop.
I did say I believed there are enough pets out there needing homes already, also that people breeding for pets only should not be breeding. I also said that those who do breed should show or work their dogs.

Ok, show my contradiction....... I dont breed for pet quality dogs....I show my dogs, and very well too thankyou! It is not realistic to get 100% show puppies even when you do show. So you would like all of us show breeders to do what? Take the pup that doesnt turn out show quality and shove it back where it came from? It would obviously need a home as well. So we what euthanize the ones that arent show quality?

Know what your talking about before speaking.....then when you do speak, make a new point rather than just continue to repeat the same crap over and over especially since it was already answered.


"They are wanting someone to stoke thier ego"

I do not want you stroking me, so move on.

"And you cannont tell me that those dogs wont make him a profit. He/she wills sell absurdly high because they came from show dogs!"

Really? so, how much do I sell my pups for anyway? You seem to know everything.

Funny, how you know nothing about someone but seem to go on like you know all about them, heck you even know what my prices are and what my profit margin is.
So, tell me how much my pups are sold for so I know.

Then you can move on and find someone else to try to pick fights with.
I would have a battle of wits with you, but you are obviously unarmed.

Now, if you choose not to see my puppies pictures, then dont open the thread, pretty simple really.
Want to show breeder bash? Start a new thread to lecture all of us.
I am sure we will all be so enlightened by your lack of knowledge that we will instantly stop showing our dogs because you said so....I know I will (not)

lovemybabiedogs, let me clue in the clueless here. i w-i-l-l s-p-e-a-k a l-i-t-t-l-e s-l-o-w-e-r t-h-i-s t-i-m-e.......when i was looking for a french bulldog pup, the shelter was eliminated. why ? because i was already informed, by the shelter, that my chances of finding a full grown one, let alone a pup, was totally out. so what was next ? a french bulldog rescue ? we have a german shepherd dog. the fact that he is ten years old and extremely good with other animals didnt matter to the rescue. we had a large dog at home so adoption was out . what next ? puppymill ? no. petshop ? no. our last option. our ONLY option really was a breeder.
so began the lengthy process of talking with breeders all over the states and even as far as russia ( where we did eventually find our female) many many breeders had pups that they wanted placed in show homes only. some had kept out the pups that they were not selling and placed the others for sale to pet homes. since we were not looking for a pup to show, we were able to get a pup for a pet, with the possibility of showing him. depending on wether or not he turned out to be show quality and if we decided we wanted to show him. although he is show quality, we do not choose to show him.

my point being this. had there not been breeders out there, raising this breed for pet homes, we would not have been able to get the three babies that we have now, let alone even one. yes i could have got a pup from a shelter, but i would not have been truly happy with any other breed.

i think in my 51 years and after having raised 6 kids to adulthood, that i deserve to live the rest of my days with the breed that i choose. thank god for those breeders, for without them, my life would be empty. my frenchies are the reason that i get up everyday. they are my heart, my soul and my life.
i have three very healthy dogs, thanks to the breeders that cared enough to be concerned for raising healthy, well adjusted dogs.
lpn. i know that you are not in it for the money. i also know that you truly love and care for your dogs. anyone saying anything different shouldnt pass judgement on people that they know nothing about. maybe they need to pull the weeds in their own garden before telling others how to grow their crop.

lovemybabiedogs: You are just downright RETARDED! Seriously, you are either just looking to pick a fight, or you're just really stupid. You can see my reply to Icy's newer thread regarding this topic. Seriously though, no show breeder is out for $$$. They put years and years of work into their lines and spend a ton of money at shows and raising puppies. I highly doubt any show breeder makes much of a profit if any.

m13lucky....thankyou for getting it.
dusty...we are speaking to deaf ears. Has all the answers without having any answers, lol.

Now, can we get back to just how cute these babies are? lmao

They're very cute. I can't believe they are all boys! Min Pins look so much like yorkie puppies when they are first born.

lol, yea. I love the males myself. The owner of the stud wanted a female from this as she has also been getting alot of male. She must have cursed it, lol.
She rubbed for luck and asked for all females, all blacks.
Thats what she gets for being so particular, lol.

I have never seen a newborn Yorkie pup, only when they are older at 6 weeks or older.

Here is a picture of 3 days old yorkie puppies that I found.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/M13Lucky/Puppies3Days2.jpg

LPN and Dusty not only are you talking to deaf ears you are also talking to someone who bought a puggle from a pet store. I wouldn't take much stock in what s/he says....but that is just my opinion....

By the way LPN beautiful pups...I would take one of your "pet quality" pups anytime!

WOW STUPID! Just because you sell pup(s) doens't mean you are in it for profit. Guess they forget all the cost of keeping and owning dogs.

It cost $$$ to keep dogs. It cost me hundreds a month in dog food and its only midway through the month and I've already spent $300 on vet bills. Breeder usually make NO PROFIT.

SOOOOOOO cute!!!What breed?

Ok I never bought a puggle from a pet store. I dont even like puggles. So I think your information is a little misinformed. Whoever you are that said that.

prissy pets...they are Miniature Pinschers

luvmyAussieinTX.....feisty....oh yes, very intelligent and very high energy....great combination, lol.

pwcorgilover....thankyou!

boxerlover01, why not pick one user name and stick with it? it would make it much easier for posters to know who they're talking with.