Hello. I am the loving 'parent' of a half basset ~ half beagle female sweetie, Lilly. Tuesday, early evening, she came in from being outside for about 10 minutes to 'make' When she cam in she threw up and started shaking (she's been shaking ever since.) Through until we went to bed, she was panting. She had what seemed to be a good sleep that night. I got several times, to check on her. But in the morning, as soon as she got up and walked, she was shaking again, and panting. What was strange Wednesday am, was that she would stop walking, had her back to us (myself, husband and two children) and would stop, then star out at nothing. Head off to the side. As though she were looking at someone that we could not see. Also, she had a small cry as she took her breaths. Like a constant cry. (On Tuesday too, when this first started.) I called the vet and they saw her right away Wednesday. The vet is a car ride ~40 minutes from where we live, and she was a little anxious in the car. Usually she is so excited about being in the car and going for a ride, but she was very nervous. We own a Honda Civic and a Jeep. I decided to take the Honda, and was very scared when she couldn't jump up (a small step for her) into the passenger seat. I lifted her, of course. The Dr. took her temperature which was normal (101) and took her blood for a complete(full)blood check. The results of her full blood work came back perfect. They sent me home with a pain medication called Tramadol, to be given two 2x per day, for five days. So I asked what next can I do? They said an xray. I made the appointment then to have her be given xrays Thursday (yesterday). I took her yesterday for the xrays and that too came back fine. Lilly has had Lymes disease (they noticed this in Novemeber), and although she was treated for it with antibiotics, she threw up a lot, so I mentioned my concern to the vet that could there be a possibility it never cleared up. But because she did not have a fever they think no. She will not eat her dogfood (I do not blame her at all, in fact I blame myself for feeding her the garbage ~ she eats Beneful which thankfully I have been checking her food, and treats with all the sites I can and so far we are lucky, I hope, besides of course, what is happening to her. If she does get better I made a promise to myself to give her cooked food, like us), so I have been making her chicken broth with rice, and soup drained, a couple of pieces of cut up bread, and today, all she would eat was a half of chicken breast, bland, I poached it in water, and had a tiny sprinckle of garlic on it, cut it up and besides a few slurps of water, not even her regular bowl full drunk, that has been it. Her panting has gotten worse and last night was the first night she did not sleep. She has been peeing a lot, which I find strange because she is not drinking a lot. I did just this evening drop off a urine sample for analysis to rule out a UTI, so hopefully it somethinglike that. I was worried about stroke, but the vet said no. I have a call into the vet (they have bot been able to phone me as of yet) because I wonder if Addison's would show up somewhere in her full blood test? Does anyone know if that would trigger her result in her blood for them to look into Addison's? Her shaking is extreme, as though she is petrified, and/or in pain, (even though she has been on the pain killer for three days now), and her panting causes her to be so excessively wet on her blanket, as though she had an accident. I know this is so long, and I apologize, but if anyone could help, I am grateful for the time. Best to all, ~Alexa
Thanks so much for your reply, pwcorgilover. The vet told me they took two, and said it would check her whole body. She is very low to the ground, because of the Basset Hound in her (her dad was a full Bassett and her mom a miniature Beagle, and not very long ~ she's only 22" long. So the two xray's were both 14" X 17" it says on my services sheet/bill. Thanks again. Alexa
I wonder if they were spine x-rays? I would imagine not if they were looking at his whole body. I would be concerned about his spine...He could have a bone spur on a vertebrae or a problem disc. Not that uncommon especially in long backed older dogs.
sounds like a back or neck problem to me also. i am guessing they took xrays of her chest and abdomen and included in those views the vet should be able to see the spine. but if he is focused more internally than orthopedically he may not have looked at the spine when viewing the xray.
not all back or neck problems will show up, but the more major ones will. if it is a back or neck problem tramadol will not be enough to relieve the pain, she will need a steroid also to reduce inflammation.
lymes does show up with the symprtoms you are describing however most notably they have a high fever. have seen a few who didnt show a fever but still had it, but it is not common. what was the drug given for treating the lymes ? how long was it treated for ? doxycycline is the drug of choice for treating lymes but it does cause vomiting in some dogs. if they have that side effect then amoxicillin can be used instead. also it needs to be treated for a minimum of 6 weeks .. sometimes you go at least 8. if she wasnt treated for at least 6 weeks then it very well could be a relapse.
to test for addisons disease you need to do more than rregular bloodwork. however values would be abnormal on the regular bloodwork that would indicate further testing is necessary. if everything came back fine on her blolodwork than it probably sint addisons. if it is ... a big dose of steroids would also help.
let us know what the vet says.
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It really sounded in the begining as tho she was having seizures & there could be more than one thing going on here.
Please get her off that garbage you are feeding her. Aside from all the crap that is in it, anything with soft pieces in it is very high in sugar & salt.
If you are giving her a bland diet don't use chicken broth, that has a lot of salt in it too. A bland diet should be boiled rinsed chicken or hmbg & rice, mostly rice. I would add in some canned pumpkin or sweet potatoe & give her some yogurt daily. You can also use noodles,or boiled potatoes instead of the rice or even with it.
Thanks so much, scout1. Lilly had a bad night, (panting more than the past three nights, and up for most of the night. The good thing was she drank more, though). I feel so hopeful with your message. When I get the call from the vet I will ask about her back and spine. Our daughter and son took Lilly for a walk last Sunday, and we have much snow in the yard, which she loves. So perhaps she did hurt her back, because she is so low to the ground, that she would have to strain herself to walk through it. They were out walking a playing for a while, so perhaps that is it ~ my husband said maybe even a pulled muscle, or tear... When she was treated for the Lymes, she was only on for 4 weeks, but threw up so much. So not being on the doxtcycline long enough, and combined with her throwing up, there could be a good chance she still has it. The vet did mention that if her urine comes back negative for a urinary tract infection, they would re-visit the Lymes, and I will also ask about her back. She is not responding to the Tramadol, and I'll mention again how she was out for a long play with the kids last Sunday. I will post again when I speak with the Dr. Thanks again for all your time, and knowledge. It is very much appreciated. ~Alexa
subgone, thanks. I do use no salt chiken broth bouillon, which boasts how it is msg free, also has no sodium, 1g sugar but I do sometimes use the colledge inn or swansons fat free less salt ~ but it is only 1/3 to 50% less depending upon the two brands. I will try potato today, to make it a little different for her, and will also try the pumpkin and sweet potato. She is drinking a little more throughout the night, so I was happy to see that. And before we went to sleep she ate the other half of her poached chicken breast. Thanks for your time. ~Alexa
***Edited By: alexac on 3/24/2007 8:58:45 AM*** Reason: To be more specific
I have new news. Lilly’s vet, (new to me from the practice, as Lilly nor I have ever seen her before), said that her urine came back with high white blood cells, and protein, and that she does have a urinary tract infection. She also looked over Lilly’s blood work and said that she may want to give Lilly a PLI blood test to rule out Pancreatitis. I mentioned to her about her walk and play with our children this past Sunday, and how my friends (thank you all) have been asking about possible spine/disc problem that she could have incurred during her play outside, and/or muscle pull or tear… she said very possible! I told her that when I try and pet her, she gets really scared, especially when it is towards her back/tail. I said I think something must have happened while they were playing and she said she will look into these possibilities on Monday. She put Lilly on a new pain killer, Torbutrol, and an antibiotic for the UTI, called Baytril. She asked that I give Lilly no protein, just rice, cooked with chicken broth (hurray ~ as I have been doing (less the poached chicken breast, and potato I tried encouraging her to eat today)). And lots of water. Lilly seems to be drinking today and last evening, better than she has in the past five days. She wants to see Lilly on Monday, so I have an appointment on Monday, early morning, for her to look at Lilly and see if she has gotten better, with the antibiotic. She will also address her spine, and muscles. She also said that if they were not as busy today, (she did not get back to me until after hours), as they were, and if I lived closer, they would have given her special means to get fluid in her body. I wish I did not live so far away, but we lived in an apartment very close to this practice when we got Lilly. After Lilly was 1 year old, we moved, and it happened to be ~40 minutes away. She was a very young puppy when we got her, and they and they alone have seen Lilly since then. She is nine. I could not think of anyone else seeing her ~ she is worth the car ride for a good vet. Just like my children’s pediatrician, I would follow anywhere. I will let you know the outcome, and just want to tell you again how thankful, and appreciative I am of all your time. I was so scarred for Lilly and strangers became friends. What a wonderful world. I will let you know Monday after her visit how it went. Thank you so much for all your help, and support. Best to all of you ~Alexa
torb is a good pain killer .... we use it on all our surgeries post op. tramadol is supposed to be very good also, my mothers dog is on it right now for arthritis. it is supposed to be an immediate relief type drug, not one that needs to build up in their system before it starts to work, but with my moms dog it was near a week before she saw any benefit from the drug.
my dog salty is on baytril right now for a bladder infection. so maybe her and lily can commiserate together =)
let us know how it goes on monday .... hope she starts feeling better by then !
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please don't forget about the yogurt. Especially when they are on antibiotics it helps keep the good bacteria up. Sounds like you have a vet that you can work with - she is listening to what you have to say & that is very important.
I think it is good your dog is on antibiotics--my whole family has struggled so much with lyme disease--I don't know if this is what your dog has, but if a specific diagnosis can't be found, many times lyme disease is the culprit. Lyme disease can mimic many other diseases, and can be a combination of other diseases so it does not look exactly like a specific disease. Antibiotics should help, but once she is off them, if sickness returns, I think this is an indication she has Lyme. If she had Lyme a long time, intensive antibiotics are usually needed, but I think then attention has to be paid to the liver (too much antibiotics can kill). But I hope the problem has been found and your dog will now return to health permanently. If not, though, keep Lyme disease in mind as a possible serious problem, even if the doctor brushes it off--so many times doctors dismiss Lyme when that, in fact, IS the problem!
Thanks so much again to all of you. Your caring is unbelieveable and I am so thankful for it. Lilly had a peaceful night. No panting, snored a little like her usual self. This morning when she got up though the panting returned. And lots of that along with shaking. I was afraid to giver her the Baytril on an empty stomach, so I fed her with a spoon, while she was panting, the broth and rice (I added noodles, too). She had something in her stomach then, so I gave her one. I guess I was so afraid she'd throw up and not get the antibiotic in her. That was at 8:30-8:45am, and so far so good. It seems to me that the Torbutrol makes Lilly kind of dazed. She, for long periods of time, just will walk around a full circle between two living rooms that open up to each other, and are side by side by a hallway... then she settles by standing on all legs staring off into space, and sometimes with her hind legs slightly bent, but not sitting. She looks out the window on other times ~ we have an old 1887 home with windows low to the floor and she always loves to look out, through them. I do think it is fine though, and better than the Torbutrol, because she has not been panting during the time she takes it, and seems to be relaxed a little more today ~ also, she had a good night last night, on her first one. And this is the first day, since early evening Tuesday, that she seems more relaxed ~ hardly shaking and no panting. I think it is really taking the pain away for her better than the Tramadol. I also want to say that I had fed her, with my hand ~ she would not take from a very shallow dish even, about a little less than 1/4 of a cup of yogurt (vanilla Columbo), and although it has protein and I was told to avoid for now, she would not eat much anything else. When Lilly was a puppy, she used to love yogurt. Just that she ate that, I feel I want her to have soemthing good in her, so she can get her nutrition of course. So I tried it, and you will be happy to know, Suebgone, that she enjoyed it as much as she could! Thanks for the reminder of her love for yogurt. I hope I am not doing wrong by her with a little bit of protein. Tonight I hope she eats more rice cooked with the chicken broth, and at about 7:00 I will giver her her last Torbutrol for the day. She will only be on this for 3 days total. I am so thankful for all of you, and all your advice and thoughts. You are incredible people and I'm so grateful. Thanks for caring about animals, and giving your time to Lilly. I will tell of course my friends and family, and any time I get the opportunity, how much you help people and their pets. I'll let you know how everything goes tomorrow. My best wishes for all of you, and your pets. ~Alexa
torbutrol is a narcotic, so it doesn't surprise me that she may act a little off when she is on it. sounds fairly normal to me.
are her food bowls on the ground ? if so, if it is a neck problem she is experiencing, the bending over, even though she is probably pretty low to the ground already given that she is a bassett beagle mix, may be painful enough that she doesnt want to eat, even though she may be hungry. elevating the food dishes may be easier on her or if you want to, continue hand feeding her.
glad to hear she had a good night last night. hope all goes well tomorrow.
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Thanks, scout1, so much. You are right, I believe. It must be too painful to bend, because the only way I can get her to eat (the very little she has been) is by hand feeding her, and also I have to hold her water dish for her to drink. I keep it held right to her mouth, then she drinks. The food she does take from me, is very small again throughout yesterday. No water after ~1:00pm yesterday, either. I took her early this morning, and just got back. They are keeping her for the day, (they called it hospitalized) to give her IV and get fluids into her, nutrition, and medicine. They feel that although it was low numbers for Pancreatitis, they want to treat her for that. She said that because she was always a good eater, and not taking hardly anything from me yesterday, tells her that Lilly is in much pain. She said her whole abdomen area is tense (I have felt that too) and when she feels her back and stomach (she pressed a lot) she saw how the response to her pressing was not like a typically healthy dog’s response, (or even a dog that may have just a UTI ~ the dog would move its stomach differently). She said she expected to see for herself, or hear from me improvement, because even though she has only been on the Baytril, for two days, it should kick in to fight that UTI, but with the addition of have a problem with her Pancreas, it’s the Pancreatitis that is causing her not to eat. She ate hardly anything yesterday, just a little rice, cooked with the chicken broth and some noodles (about three tablespoon fulls, if that). She loved the little bit of yogurt (~1/4c) so I am going to see what her diet is supposed to be for the Pancreas. They mentioned a special diet. But hopefully yogurt will be ok for her digestive system. She has lost 2 pds. And so when they give her the IV I hope it can get her body back up with fluids and some nutrients. Also, because of the Pancreatitis, it is hard to be definite with her back and muscles, but the Dr. feels she probably sprained something. She felt her discs, and looked at her xray once more, and while a sprain would not show, she said it could very well be possible. At least her discs felt normal, and her bones were good. She said that the Torbutrol should have really made her sleepy yesterday, enough to take a long rest, and feels that her pain is so acute, between the UTI, and the Pancreatitis, and perhaps that is why it is not having the effect it should have on her. They said they may need to leave the catheter in over the evening, incase they need to give her another IV tomorrow. They explained that most dogs respond well, and may not need a second day hospitalized, but they’ll let me know when I pick her up.
I really can not thank you enough, scout1 and pwcorgilover for all your time and incredible advice, and suebgone thank you so much for your food advice, and recommendations. All your time is valuable, and I am so grateful you found time for Lilly & I. ~Alexa
Not to scare you or anything but Pancreatitis can kill a dog. It is really important to do everything the doctor says with regards to care when Lily gets home. Poor little thing! The diet I have seen is very bland so if they say no yogurt they mean it. I hope she is back to herself really soon!