I just spoke with the vet office about our dog, the vet ignored 2 calls last week, one was to look further into our Brandy's illness and do some research- get back to me the next day- she never did. I called the office and asked why we (the public) are being kept in the dark about what is REALLY going on here, they did not answer me- just kept saying "okay, I will have the vet get back to you" When the vet called back she said she only had 2 minutes to talk, had a patient coming in any second so I asked her, and asked where the media is getting their numbers from and that I knew ours was not the only dog treated there and another local hospital from this recall, that I knew of other dogs and cats who became ill or died in our own neighborhood". She did not answer any of the questions, but did say "well we haven't seen any pets with those symptoms since they pulled the food from the shelves". Leading me to believe that SOMEONE informed all vet offices to keep a tight lip on the situation until they decide what they are going to do about it. This is such crap! Then they tell me not to listen to the media? 15 pet deaths (1 dog and 14 cats)??? Are they dreaming? It is in the thousands now! Who is doing the math here a 2 yr old? OMG I am so ticked off that I scare myself! My anger management has been so out of whack- lashing at everything, no patience for people anymore- jerked around by the media, and cannot trust a soul in this world anymore! They are playing head games with us- which makes me wonder what else do they say on the news that isn't accurate? how about the spinach scare? you think the numbers of ill or deaths in people were as they said? Man this world is so twisted! Sorry- this mourning process is killing me, and the thought that other pets out there remain in question and at risk and no one is doing a damn thing about it!!! We have to just look out for ourselves and not trust anyone else to help protect us or our loved ones. Trust is gone- and I mean GONE!
Listen, try to calm down.I have a dog too so I understand what you are goig threw.You sound really pissed off about this,just give your pet love and hope and pray for the best.Please CALM DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats odd, on t.v. last week they reported a yorkie and at least two corgies that past. There are tons of people out there that don't watch t.v., don't go online. They are clueless as to whats wrong with their animals. Or why they are dieing.
I know there are lots more, my neigbors frineds cat died of kidney disease 2 weeks ago. It goes on and on. It is really making me nervous. My co-worker called me yesterday saying her dog was sluggish, pooping blood. I told her it might be the food, He gets into cat food too. Apparently the problem was worms, I hope thats true. If not things could get worse. I told her to change his kibble to be safe.
Whoever said you can't buy happiness, must have never owned a dog!!!!!!!!!!!
I just ran across this website for the first time and had to join just to comment here.
Skochy - I think your post was really inappropriate. I can't even imagine what Karen is going through. But telling ANYONE who has just lost a beloved member of their family to "calm down" is wrong. Karen's completely right. There is a huge cover-up right now. I don't understand it but after reading her post, I'm realizing that this is all about money. I'm sure Karen is right and Menu Foods has been able to sway vets not to provide numbers to the press. It's unbelievable that they're still reporting 16 pets. I live in Orange County Ca and there are 3 dogs who've died locally. On the first Monday after the recall, a vet was interviewed who said he'd already had 250 die at his clinic! I haven't seen him on ABC or CNN since. There's something seriously wrong here. I am not as passionate right now as Karen, because my dogs are all ok. But she has every reason to be out of her mind irate. And you know what, that's what causes change. It's when people get angry enough to not accept the status-quo. That's how Mother's Against Drunk Drivers started. Did you know it didn't even used to be illegal to drink and drive? MADD wouldn't give up until the laws were changed. Until our laws reflect how people all across this country feel about their pets, I don't think things will change.
Karen, I wish I knew you and could just give you a huge hug. I got my first dog a year after I bought a home. She was killed 4 years later by a car when we were walking. I know how devestated I felt. But this is different. You're not only suffering the loss of your beloved dog, but you feel responsible because you gave her the food. And I know you're furious that the food wasn't better regulated so this could have been caught. I've been so angry - without having a sick pet, that I've spent days researching dog food and have been absolutely heartsick at what I've learned they put in the dog food. Do you know there are suspicions that euthanized pets are used in the food? I am drastically changing what I feed my pets. I made chicken breasts, rice and vegs for them last night. I also bought Pet Promise which has no animal fat, by-products, or animal meal. I was so thrilled to find what sounds like a great product, and is endorsed by Dr. Weil, the cardiologist/homeopathic doctor, but when I dished it out, my three turned up their noses. I'm hoping they'll change their mind. Anyway, no more Purina for me!
Karen, I just feel so much for you. I'm shaking I'm so sad and horrified. It also sounds like your vet did a horrible job. I don't believe the bloodwork came out clean. I think they screwed up. I took care of my dad full time for four years and he had a long list of serious illnesses. I am well aware of how often drs and nurses screw up for humans. I'm quite sure it's even worse for pets.
I'll say a special prayer for you today Karen and just know that there are people all across this country who feel the pain of everyone who has lost a pet over this recall! I hope you can find some small measure of comfort from that.
Karen - Even the scientists that tested the food said that there would be many more sick pets. I'm sure that once the local media becomes aware of the number of local pets that are sick or have passed on then they will probably report on the bigger numbers. Maybe the local papers should be made aware of your story; getting Brandy's story out may also help you cope with your loss. **Sending you hugs and prayers***
RescuePups - Thanks for your post. Interesting. . .
I'm curious about your screen name. I have rescued four. My first border collie mix who was killed (from shelter), my current border mixed with probably chow (gorgeous girl!)(from shelter), a papillion/maybe sheltie/ maybe cocker spaniel (from shelter), and my little rat terrier(rescued off the street with no hair from her shoulders back and sores all over her body. Her hair is now luscious and she's so adorable!) Aren't rescued dogs the best? All of my dogs are so sweet and so loving. It took alot of TLC and patience, and treating each one differently depending on what they needed. My rat terrier is the youngest and she cried when I picked her up and didn't want anything to do with me for about the first 3 years after I rescued her. But she LOVED my border collie. In fact, after I got her medical treatment and her hair grew in, I was going to find her a home but by then my border collie had adopted her. She's her own personal little sheep to herd around the house. These two are crazy about one another. Hannah, my rat terrier, will climb on top of Tobee (bc) and chew on her ears and Tobee will just lay quietly in ecstacy. It's so funny and heartwarming to watch them. Just in the past few months, Hannah has decided I'm wonderful and now she's such a mama's girl. She sleeps under the covers right next to me and comes and gives me kisses every day. It took three years and now she finally trusts me. It makes me so sad to think how many wonderful dogs are looking for a home and euthanized so quickly. So many people today are looking for "designer dogs". My hairdresser bought a yorkie last summer and she has a different outfit on every day. Of course, she never takes her for a walk and I've seen the dog pee in the shop three times - once all over a customer.
I am so very sorry for your loss. I would be just as angry as you if it happened to one of my pets. I know I would want answers and to know the truth.
On the flip side I think part of the "cover up" is due to:
1- Fear. Consumers are already so upset by this I personally know many people who won't buy pet food and are cooking instead til this is over.
2- Lawsuits. I am sure many people will try to "cash in" on this even when their pet might not have had the food. It is an opportunity (for some) to take advantage of this and get what they can.
I am NOT saying this is what you are trying to do. I am saying though for now til they have all the facts they might be trying to down play the seriousness of this.
Again I am sorry this happened to you. I know I would be going crazy myself if this happened to any of my pets. My pets are my children and I would do whatever I had to do to protect them. I hope your vet will work with you on finding the answers to what really happened to your pet.
LovesDogs3 Thank you for understanding. It was hard enough losing Brandy, but to find out over a month later what she actually got ill and died from, the mourning process started all over again- and this is something I just cannot come to terms with. Lawsuits- people are screaming civil suits, the only ones who benefit are the attorneys. Once the judge divides the total among the thousands of pet owners- they'd be lucky to even get $400 each. in addition, it only prolongs the grief 1, 2, even up to 5 years before it gets settled and I am in no position to go through that. I also have a mother with Parkinson's Disease and I have to try and keep my focus- somehow move forth because I know how precious time is, I want to spend quality time with mom (and dad too) before I lose them too!
I joined a group in yahoo, http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/MenuFoodsClassAction/ it has helped, but then again it is a constant reminder of what we are dealing with here. By law, our pets are "merchandise" like furniture in our home- you cannot sue for personal loss, or damages etc.. With this, let me ask you, have you ever walked into a furniture store and tell the sales person that you would like to adopt a bedroom set?
Hugs and love to you - and again, thank you for your warm heart and caring soul. Not many people are like that now days- after all, look at menu foods- selfish greed.
I want them to shut down- and be put under like they did to my Brandy. An eye for an eye.
I understand how you feel about lawyers and maintaining focus on your parents. For the most part, I hate lawyers, although I was lucky enough to find a wonderful, honest one last year when I really needed one. I took care of my parents for years, my father 24/7 for four years after my mother passed. My first border collie was killed one month prior to my mom's death. I believe she needed to be in heaven to comfort my mom when she passed.
There are other things you can do besides joining a lawsuit. You may not want to spend the time, but I think taking these steps could make you feel like you're taking action rather than just being a victim of both the pet food industry and government (I read a memo sent to vets from the state of WA where I grew up. It's shocking - I'll try to locate and post here for you). Look at petconnection.com. There are a number of articles with posts. They recommend anyone who has lost a pet add their name to the petconnection list, contact the FDA, and contact Congress and/or the press (for instance Anderson Cooper). There are already senators in at least two states who have called for an investigation. I am frustrated every day hearing CNN and other news stations report that only 16 pets have been affected. PetConnection has information that looks like it's over 2000 which seems more realistic.
Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine
From ADVICE TO VETERINARIANS:
Veterinarians should be cautious and exercise due diligence with patients that arrive with their owners during this incident.
Some owners may indeed have animals that are legitimately affected
Some owners may have concerns that are not substantiated by clinical examination alone, but precautionary medicine and client advisement are essential.
Incidents like this often bring out clients with patients that had pre-existing illness or coincidental newly developed illness that was unrecognized before awareness of similar signs and symptoms were broadcast as part of the recall.
Veterinarians should also be cautious of individuals who may see this as an opportunity to capitalize on what may become class action litigation. There have been instances in which individuals faked symptoms or may have intentionally fed an animal substances that could mimic or duplicate the signs and symptoms of legitimately affected animals. This is unlikely but has occurred in both humans and animals with recalled substances. A complete and accurate diagnosis, treatment that meets or exceeds accepted standards of care, and proficient record-keeping as most of you already practice, are essential.
Finally, consider spending a moment and educating concerned clients about the realities of product recalls alleged to be contaminated and the difficulties of establishing cause and effect. Currently, there is an extremely large number of pet rations for dogs and cats being voluntarily recalled. A cause for the illnesses seen may—or may not—be determined now or in the future as it relates to these rations. One must also consider the possibility that the illnesses seen, without additional diagnostic evidence, may have occurred in a population of that size normally, and independent of any alleged ration contamination. This is in no way meant to minimize legitimate animal health concerns or to diminish the severity of a problem that is not fully developed yet.
I should have added that the above memo from Washington state was posted on PetConnection. I am outraged that instead of encouraging vets to report cases accurately and deal compassionately with patients, they're cautioning them that most of us are looking to capitalize on this situation. How ridiculous. How is anyone going to capitalize? At the current date, pets are seen as property and as you mentioned, Karen, the end result of any lawsuit will probably not even cover the veterinary costs. Menu Foods made a public statement that they would cover documented cases, but no one can get through to their 800 number and they're certainly not taking any steps to correct the reported numbers of only 16 deaths.
Schockies post was not rude she probably just does not like to hear bad language. We'll yes people are not excactly doing anything about the recall and because of this many innocent pets are very sick and dying or have already died. I feel awful and just wish the veterinarian places would try and get more people to start working for them so they could try and save all these animals. It is not the vets fault, this recall has just made all the vets very busy. Luckily my dog was not affected by the recall! Thank God.
I too did not think the second poster was rude, she was just sort of trying to help the original post calm herself. I took no offence by anything here. I feel very saddened by her loss too, as well as for all the other pets that have lost their lives. I believe I heard on the news last night that their have been approx 8,800 claims of pets getting sick and or dieing. Soooo very sad. These are just the people that know whats going on.
Whoever said you can't buy happiness, must have never owned a dog!!!!!!!!!!!
to the best of my knowledge, right now there is only one way to tell for sure if a pet has actually died from the recalled food. that is to have a necropsy done and tissue samples sent to one of two vet med schools for analysis. cornell is one of the schools doing the pathologies , i have forgotten the name of the other university.
we have not been tight lipped about it in our office, even the lab that we send out blood samples to has sent us a letter informing us which blood panels to run on suspect animals for a good diagnosis.
it is going to be tricky for pet owners to prvoe that their animals have gotten sick and died from this . especially older animals who could have had renal issues just based on their age. normal aging process. of course human beings being what they are, i am sure there are probably people out there right now trying to find a way to sue when they arent even affected by this, you know scammers.
sorry for the loss of your dog.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
can they do a necropsy done and tissue samples on ashes? because our dog had to be put to sleep back in February due to this tainted food. She died well over a month prior to them recalling this food.
I do have a soiled spot in her bed, she had no bladder control. I placed her bed upstairs in the attic, did not have the heart to throw it away. I wonder if they can test that? We have receipts from the dog food and vet bills- our dog began with kidney failure, then neurological symptoms, then at the end brain damage. All the symptoms of poison. I gave her companion pouches that week prior to her illness. I seldom purchased anything but pedigree- only bought it for flavor variety. I wish I hadn't!
In Memory Of Our Brandy Feb 16,2007 Menu Foods Took her life and ours away from us all.
I am in Canada and recently we had a huge food recall, are you guys talking about that? The ingredient in question is the wheat gluten, the company, without checking with the food companies, changed the supplier, and the problem lay there.Don't feed anything with wHEAT GLUTEN. In our clinic, we have not had many sick animals, its quite possible that the Vet clinic did not know enough about the problem to comment.