I find this more than mildly funny. I don't think Luvbug is a 'bad breeder' just like I don't think Juno or myself are 'bad breeders'. Funny how no one can pass the scrutiny of the Terrific Pets breeder test, if people actually look hard enough.
Is Luvbug perfect? Hate to tell her, no. She is just a dog breeder trying to do her best like the rest of us.
Looking directly at the OFA website statitics for Poms right now, I would say it is unlikely that her dogs are tested for anything, since in 30 years there have only been:
102 cardiac evaluations 9 elbow 57 hips 248 patella and a whopping 59 thyroid tests.
Pom breeders, responsible or not are NOT testing their dogs for much if anything. People on Terrific Pets can say they do all day long, they can wish people test, but the reality is that it is extremely rare for breeders of the majority of dog breeds to do health testing. Numbers don't lie.
LOR-- Go jump in a deep lake. You know NOTHING of dog breeding really. You just think you do. Replacing puppies is standard.
I have never come across a breeder IN REAL LIFE that would guarantee a dog for 2 years, AND give a full refund with out at least returning the dog. Health 'guarantees' are there to protect purchasers from really bad fluke things happening. Not to give people a free dog, if the one they picked out has uncontrollable gas.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
My boyfriends parents bought a mini Schnauzer 15yrs ago from a breeder. They had her six months and found out she had a thyroid problem and had to be pts. The breeder had to refund their money, pay for the expenses and spay/neuter all her dogs. It was in the contract. Same with their new Giant Schnauzer, she has to take hormone pills everyday, as something is up with her bladder. The breeder also didn't crop her ears properly (one stand up, the other one flops down) She has a two year guarantee. They cant breed her, but can show her. The breeder paid for the vet visits and offered a new puppy, they could keep Mia too. They declined the new puppy and refund, but got the vet visits taken care of. That is a responsible breeder, taking responsibity for the mistakes they made.
Alicat, no its not standard. Maybe by back yard breeders like yourself that make money of your dogs like a piece of scum. I've talked to numerous springer breeders that wouldnt think of a "replacement" guarantee. You are just out to make money for yourself. Get a real job lady.
http://www.ashleyspets.com "A dog is not almost human, and I know of no greater insult to the canine race than to describe it as such.
Here we go again...because no one else is doing it...it shouldn't be done. I am so tired of hearing that excuse. I was raised to be the best at whatever it is I decide to do...I guess some of you were not taught that by your parents...really too bad...
perhaps some tests are not done much in some breeds because there is no real need for them. Not because the breeder tries to cut corners or got something to hide. that would sure explain the low numbers.
If I seem to have a superiority complex, it is because you make it so easy.
have you looked at luvbugs website she is very informative and keeps things up to date which means she is paying attention to what is going on in her dogs life,while imagine this she loves them,how dare her love them which would mean she is not doing it for the money she is doing out of love for dogs.just thought i would straighten a few know it alls out.Dont worry about it Luvbug some of us actually care about our animals well being.
Of course she keeps her website up to date- she couldn't sell her puppies if she didn't! Someone that breeds toy dogs when they are a year old, and plans to breed them yearly are in it to make money, plain and simple.Yes she takes care of her dogs,and doesn't sell to any Tom, Dick, or Harry but its still a money making business.Otherwise she would wait til they were a proper age to breed, and wouldn't plan to breed them every year.Not many dogs are good enough that they should be putting out 4-5 litters of puppies.Even the highest quality show dogs aren't usually bred that many times.
Its really amusing that you TPjerks think you know what your talking about. I am mentored by a very reputable show breeder who is a member of the Pomeranian Club Of America and is listed on the club website as a reccomended mentor. I have purchased 3 of my 6 poms from them. If i have their aprroval on each and every one of my breeding practices then i know for a fact i'm doing things right. I have absolutely NO plans to breed any of my girls before they are the proper age reccomended within my breed. Whoever keeps saying that is an idoit. Where do you get your info from? My website? Nope! You would need actual birthdates to really know what your talking about. You would need dates of when their heat cycles came and when you think they'll be back around next time. You don't have them, so you don't know how old they will be when i breed them, even i don't know how old they will be because heat cycles don't come around like clock work.
For those that were supportive in this thread and behind the scenes i thank you. For those that were negative, GO AWAY! I came here to share pictures like everyone else does, i wasn't looking to sell my puppies or even share my website. Simply sharing pictures of newborns because not everybody gets to have newborn puppies in their lives.
If your mentor thinks breeding poms at a yr old is acceptable then I have no respect for her , whether she shows or not. Yes, every bit of the info comes from your website.You breed your poms before they are 2 yrs old.Every single one of them gets bred, or you plan to breed,when they are a yr old. Melanie was one yr old in April of 06, you first attempted to breed her in Aug 06, when she was one year old. Haley was one yr old in Oct 06, she was bred just 4 months later.Kahlua will be a yr old in June 07 and your planned litters page says you are planning to breed her as soon as she comes in heat this fall at one yr old. I guess you have no defense for the yearly breeding, since you didn't mention that.
Hey 'Timeone' why don't you be a big person and give your real screen name instead of hiding behind a false one? There is no way in H you are a new member so quit hiding.
BTW-- MANY breed clubs say that it is O.K. to breed a bitch after 18 months so that is technically a year old dog by your standards.
Guess what, the only reason not to breed an 18month old bitch is because 'hip testing' would need to be done. Since NO ONE in small breeds gets hip testing done.... what is the point of waiting?
It has been common practice until very recent years that you can breed a bitch after her second heat or as long as she is 18 months. Old school hunting breeders STILL breed bitches after 12 months around here, and I imagine most do fine, since stray in the wild would probably be on their second litter by 18 months.
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
Why don't all the backyard breeders go in for a group discount and get ALL your female dogs spayed? Oh, I forgot only "breeders" should have intact dogs.
Until your dog has been tested (in the vets office, in the ring, and has good temperment) stop breeding. This should also apply to breeders. I know that a dog can't get clearance from OFA until they over 2 years old. The ring can be a little political - so it may take time, and once a female has pups her body has taken a hard hit. The temperment takes more that a year to be set in stone.