Hey reality check for 'Denim' go look at the OFFICIAL OFA website that give the statistics for dogs tested over the past 30 YEARS. Please look at the popular small breeds. See how FEW are tested. No one is getting these tests done, byb, show, or not.
Wow "timeone" you just proved my point. Your wrong about the month of each of their birthdays. I have the papers to prove it. YOU DON'T KNOW MY DOG'S BIRTHDAYS!! I wait for the 3rd heat cycle which is very common and accepted practice especially with smaller breeds.
The one thing i will admit you are right about is Haley who was bred when she was 1 yr old but i was previously very open about that inceident. She was contained in an ex-pen inside the house which she proceed to climb out of on the 18th day of her heat cycle and tied with my male. It was too late in her cycle so It did not result in pups which we were very thankful for. This is a mastake i am happy to say i learned from and will not make again. We have tops for our pen now,
And no posting pictures of puppies is not against the rules. I am 100% allowed to post them just like anybody else. However I can not offer them to people. I can not post my contact information or the puppies prices or anything like that. And WRONG AGAIN, thats not my website thats my blog where there is absolutely nothing for sale.
Wow outright lying now.It clearly states on your blog and in your pictures the ages of your dogs, and you clearly breed them on their second heats.It mentions their ages at many different points, and it also mentions their heat cycles. Waiting til they are two yrs old also ensures they are mentally ready to be mothers, it isn't all about testing or waiting for genetic problems to pop up. I think I will email your mentor to try to understand why she thinks this is acceptable, I'm curious about her thoughts on it.Good luck to you.
Alicat I just was at the OFA site. There is more than just hips to be concerned about. I have Italian Greyhounds and hips is not one of the breeds big problem areas, but I have heard of breeders having Patellar Luxation problems. More IG breeders test for that than for hips. There were 353 IGs tested for Patellar Luxation 4% affected were as for hips 118 IGs were tested and 0% affected. A breeder needs to know what are common problems for their breed and test those areas. If only 10 dogs are tested and 2 are affected then only 8 dogs of that breed should be looked at for possible(other factors still need to be looked at) breeding because only that many dogs have responsable owners.
Just because not too many people test their dogs doesn't change the fact that there are too many people that call themsevles breeders and they shouldn't! All they want is MONEY!
Like my parents always said, "If all your friends jump off a bridge are you going to jump off too?" Don't be like everyone else, do what is best for your breed, your dog, and any puppies you are blessed to have.
Lovebug, your blog clearly provides links to your pups for sale and/or stud. I don't m ind letting links slide when they aren't connected to something "for profit", but this one violates that by the links.
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
Denim, what would be the point of spaying our dogs? Then the 99.9% of other breeders would continue...... to not health test their dogs, and breed them.
Unless you are unhappy with one of the puppies that you purchased from one of the 'breeders' in this thread, maybe you need to zip it. Worry about getting your own dogs spayed.
Not everyone is an ideal parent, dog breeder or citizen for that matter. Get over it, get over yourself.
***** Also I edited my previous post to include all the Patella testing NOT getting done. OF all the small breeds none even come close to even having 1000 tests of anything done in the last 30 years.
I don't care what people's opinion is as to what should or shouldn't be tested. I am just trying to clarify that it is NOT being done-- so puppy buyers won't be shocked when they can't find breeders that REALLY DO health test.
***Edited By: alicat1 on 4/27/2007 9:32:04 PM*** Reason: ad
Boxers are like cookies you can't have just one :)
I'm not breeding my dogs, but a lot of people on here are and when I read what they say to each other and about each other they should check themselves. Make it easy for people to find good healthy dogs and stop back yard breeding.
As for luvbug I went to your site and read your contract. Peopl
Don't you dare call me a liar!! Yeah right, lying about my own dog's ages. Their pictures do include ages for when the picture was taken, but what it does not include is the date that picture was added to the album or when the last time i updated was. Not every album is up to date to this day. I update randomly whenever i have a picture to throw in there. Sometimes i only have a couple of one particular dog so their album is updated but the others aren't. How could you get a CORRECT age out of that? Like i said before you have nooooo idea.
Some examples from your own blog Monday, July 24, 2006 My first Chocolate purchase!! I am extremely pleased to annouce a 2nd and last new addition to my breeding program. She will be arriving via airplane this September from SD. Currently 4 weeks old.
Friday, October 27, 2006 Haley's birthday! Today is Haley's birthday. You mention in many blogs when you picked up puppies and their ages at the time. On many of your pics you mention age for example- Vanna 14 wks, Kahlua 10 wks, Mel 1yr 3mo.It's easy to figure their ages out from that. Kahlua was 4 weeks old July 06, and if you compare the ages of her to the ages of the other dogs in the pics its easy to see.Are all the ages and dates you have in your blog and website incorrect then?
Just so that you know, Lovebug, the date the picture was taken is available to view if you click on the "Show Exif Data" link under the images. All the info about the picture appears, including what camera, exposure settings, date, etc. That is a feature of album generators like Photobucket and Gallery. That is how people were calculating ages. Based on those dates, Haley would now be about 1.5 years old, and Blaze will be about that age when he is possibly available for stud services early next year as it says on his page. If the dates given, and thus the calculated ages, are wrong, then you can correct them.
As far as I can tell from your website, your dogs look happy, healthy, and well-loved, and have at least one conformation champion somewhere in their pedigree. Admittedly I am not an expert, but don't see anything wrong. Anyways, good luck with the pups and in the show ring, your dogs are very cute.
******* And I hope you disregard the animosity coming from a select few people on here. The rest of us, at least myself, hope you keep on posting pictures of your pups as they grow.
***Edited By: illini on 4/28/2007 12:13:41 PM*** Reason: add
Well that is good to know that it is possible for people to figure it out if they are smart and use all the dates they have collected. If cetain people were smart they could actually come up with the correct ages.
I don't have anything to hide, i couldn't hide things like that because its right there in print on the akc papers. You can't get away with lying about stuff like that. Once again timeone, you're trying really hard to prove i'm lying but you won't be able to because i'm NOT. It is possible Blaze will be bred at that time in his life, its quite possible he'll be a champion right around the time he turns one year old if his adult coat cooperates with us and after that happens we'll be breeding him whenever the girls are ready so yes 1.5 yrs. Like i said i have nothing to hide. With poms, you can finish them at 8 months old if they're really nice, doesn't mean i would breed a girl before their 3rd heat cycle but with a male just over a year old if hes championed is very common practice within the breed. Maybe you're just not familiar with the way the people in this breed work, maybe you just don't like it. Doesn't matter to me, the point is i'm not doing anything wrong and i'm not hiding anything either. Why don't you just let the age thing go?
Why don't you just let the age thing go? Because I find it irritating that you are lying, trying to pretend you wait til the third heat to breed.You had an oops breeding with Haley in Oct 06 when she was on her first heat,and you bred her on purpose on her next heat, her second ,when she was a yr old.THIS IS CLEARLY STATED IN YOUR BLOG. You skip the first heats and breed on the second.You do the exact same thing with your eskies.I am not dreaming up specific dates in your blog where you mention the dogs ages.They are there in black and white! Money is the only reason to breed dogs that young, and apparently the people I hang around with have a little more ethics than you do when it comes to breeding small dogs. They breed at over 2yrs old when the bitch is fully mature in body and mind,they finish their dogs first, they breed with a purpose, they don't breed yearly,they don't breed multiple litters of puppies,they don't even breed every dog that is a champion . They aren't in it to make money, they are in it to better the breed.
Like i said before there in no way to get away with something like that. I would not be able to lie about how old they were when they were bred, people can easily figure it out when they see their birthdates on their papers. And quite obviously i've never tried to hide their ages since they are all over my albums and blog. Haley was bred mastakenly on her second heat NOT her first, it does not say anywhere in my blog what heat cycle she was on.
I won't deal with this crap anymore. You're so sure that you're right and i want to defend myself so that other people know the truth, but you're so convinced you keep at it trying desparately to prove something that you CAN'T. I won't fight with you anymore.