I know of it being done...2 back to back, not 3 though. And I think it depends on the individual dog. Some take longer to recondition after a litter than other. Even though I dont personally do it, I dont think less of anyone who does do it. Providing its not back to back to back to back.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
I disagree with such aggressive breeding practices on dogs, I think it's inhumane and cruel. They are not wolves that have an average life span of four to five years and only come into heat once a year.
What about the overall health of the dog mentally. I have witnessed many dogs after birthing so exhausted and thin they look like death. This shows to me it's much more than talking about what a missed heat can do to them inside what about their overall health? Raising a litter is very draining and I was told by a well respected vet it is proven to lower their overall health and quality of puppies, plus life span from such breeding practices.
Dogs are human made and basing a study on wolves for dogs is wrong. I think this is another way to try and Okay mass producing puppies with out having breeders feel quilty about it.
We adopted a dog from a breeder which had five litters by 4 and a half years old. She passed her vet check up and went in for surgery to be spayed. The vet was horrified to what he saw inside her. Her horns were almost hanging out and distroyed from breeding. They were so stretched and torn that he could almost poke his fingers right threw the tissue. Her heart rate dropped and she almost died in surgery due to her inside health from over breeding. Her first four litters were large and healthy. Then the fourth litter resulted in three puppies two died. The breeder no longer felt she was breeding quality and on she went. I have heard of dogs bleeding to death, puppies dyeing and dogs so exhausted they just lay down on their puppies and smuther them. I believe this is another form of a puppy mills. No matter how you look at it this is not for the dogs but to mass produce puppies and breeders to gain. Pure slavery, I only wish their was a law to how often a dog can be bred!
Dog breeding is a billion dollar industry and needs to be regulated. You should have to fill out a form and be approved for breeding or get a fine if you breed with out your paper work. In germany this is how it is done. Time US and Canada get up to standards.
I do agree that if a dog can handle it two litters in a row is fine but needs to be approved first by the vets. Doing two litters a year for five to six years is an average practice for Australian Labradoodle ILA members. That's Twelve litters in a row is INSANE!!! and Wrong!! In my opinion.
I do believe this is an area that needs to be regulated and is out of control.
How would you like to be bred every single year through your 20's to 30's. Why wouldn't you want this? Manybe ask yourself how your dog might feel.
QUOTE BY FIDO 101 "Dog breeding is a billion dollar industry and needs to be regulated. You should have to fill out a form and be approved for breeding or get a fine if you breed with out your paper work. In germany this is how it is done. Time US and Canada get up to standards."
That's a fine idea. Let's get another government bureaucracy with no knowledge of the industry to "regulate" us and then tell those of us that do devote time and energy in the production, promotion and preservation of canines how we should best do our jobs. Yes, good idea, lets all fill out those forms. Perhaps we can include that information in the census.
You realize you are suggesting that the same government that can't even procure or manage delivery of H1N1 vaccines for the general populous this winter in a timely manner also tell those of us that KNOW what we are doing how they think we can do it better. You are advocating that the same Federal Bureaucracy that has no plan to insure that Social Security will remain solvent into the next decade also oversee canine reproduction. Yeah, OK Government has the answer.
Tell ya what Fido, If you are so fond of German regulation, what the hell are you doing here?
You can't win if you don't play the game -- Me!
All cruelty stems from weakness -- Seneca
Sometimes a dog is as good as any man -- Bell/Houser
I do not think a once in a while back to back would be bad, but not on every litter. PLUS these vets that are NOW saying this are also PROMOTING c-sections that are NOT needed, they say it is easier and faster for everyone involved, breeder and mother!!! And they ALSO say C-section EVERY TIME!!!! NOW think about that!! Where is that money going....right into their pocket!!! I think it is TOTALLY a case by case issue, My dog had 12 pups that is 2 litters right there!!!! I am sorry but after that she deserves a break!
Check out ********* they breed dogs every heat. Sometimes the dogs don't get pregnant but they still breed them. Is this natures way of giving the dog a break from humans intentionally making them breed? I guess its not natural to Artifical breed or mate a dog for so many years. I heard in the wild dogs only live to an average of four years.
********* breeds their dogs each heat for 6 years until the Australian Labradoodle Club will no longer let the puppies be registered. They have a rule that no dog after 6 can have puppies registered off of them. It does not stop breeders from contining to breed for profit and just sell puppies under different names.
This large breeder is proven to sell puppies under family members using her **************** to cross back to her over age australian labradoodles. As her poodles are not apart of her Australian Labradoodle program she can avoid following the Australian Labradoodle Assocations breeder rules. She can breed these dogs with out any questions. How many dogs, sellers names, kennels does she have, which are really all the same person. Clearly these dogs are still owned, bred and sold by ****. They are housed and raised under the same roof, puppies produced by the same breeder as *********. Why does someone breed a dog so many times other than to make money. This breeder is estimated to bring in around 500,000.00 a year with all her kennels and dogs.
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***Edited By: lpn169 on 11/27/2010 3:10:28 AM*** Reason: No use of links or names permitted
I know this is three years too late, but I'm wondering if the OP (or their friend) has links to this study?
I have been taught this as well by many breeders and vets (I breed dachshunds). Now, granted, dachshunds come into heat every 9-12 months, so it's not a big issue to breed back to back. I'm not sure how I would feel about a breed that comes in every 6 months, without being familiar with that breed.
I have been breeding back to back 3 years, maybe? And have never had any issues. But doxies are a very hearty breed.
With all that being said, I have found some information, but not much to really sink my teeth into. I am not worried but I would love to have the information to pass on to others.
I was really glad to read this. Our family has raised Labradors since 1998, and we rarely skipped heats ... we just let them get bred whenever they came into heat. Our opinion is, that is what they were created to do. And we have had dogs skip their own heat - they just wouldn't get bred. However, people do make it seem like such a terrible thing, that I was glad to see the scientific research.
I am sorry but I have bred for years I had Rotties. I believe for a bitch to recover, get her form and muscle tone back, they need a break.
I have to laugh, since the same people who look down on third world countries over breeding, think nothing of doing this to their dogs for what, money? A well bred dog makes no money, it is bred to enhance the breed.
I have seen hundreds of kennels and more owners being shut down, more are coming. I personally would like to see AKC Spayed and Neutered because over 500 million dogs are sitting in foster, or pens because everyone wants a puppy. If we had a considerate bone in our body, we would stop breeding for at least two years. If you have good dogs, you still will.
I right now have a beautiful Black English Lab and she is 14 mos just started having shakes perhaps it is epilepsy as blood teasts and reacton tests are good. Organs excellent. We took her in and going to have her fixed. People got two dogs from rescue and bred for money. I am in process of letting her 8 brothers and sister owners know to watch.
Yeah lets breed more animals in this economy. Lets breed more disease. If we can't feed them, well, drop them off. I believe that people who breed dogs should be watched and inspected quarterly. Guess get tired of seeing dogs needing to be rescued, starving, sick. Good dogs who bred good dogs sitting in pens like yesterdays newspapers. Our best friends left to others to clean, hurt. I wish we all spend our next life like we do unto them.
This is really interesting. I had thought it to be the case though. It would make sense as it is fact that damaged tissue will eventually heal to double it's original thickness, so catching it when it's healed rather than when it's double thickness makes sense to me...
Also, if all dogs are healthy is it really a problem?
By this research, it could be said that people who skip cycles are actually harming their dog more!
***Edited By: H88 on 5/15/2011 3:50:20 AM*** Reason: I rambled!
So is it good or bad to breed your female on every heat cycle? My female is a large breed (50-60lbs) and she has had 3 previous litters before all back to back and has never had any problems with them.
She has had 1 litter of 5, then 7, then 4. I was thinking of breeding her again to see if there is going to be a huge difference in her litter size to know if she should be done breeding(?). She has her first litter at a year and a half and she just turned 3 years old in December.
By the time her pups reach 3 months old she is back up to her normal healthy weight and her coat looks great. She's been an excellent mother and always by her pups side, even when she's out on a walk she's rushing home to get back in with her pups again. We've never had a pup that was still born or died, they all lived and were healthy. Can anyone comment on this and let me know what you think? We've also always find homes before pups are even born.
I stumbled across this while Reading up on the topic as we only breed our dogs once a year and find it immoral to breed every heat cycle. Yes wild dogs breed every heat cycle BUT wild dogs do it for survival, their diet and nutritional needs are different, and they are in better physical shape. ------------------------------------------------------ No domestic breed of dog is endanger of becoming extinct, usually a breeder has more than one female so why would you need to have more than one litter at a time? My German Shepherd are in every 6 months, so if I bred one female and her puppies are sold at 10 weeks old I will then possibly breed one of my other females. But in all honesty if you are breeding and do all the things you are suppose to with your moms and pups it's exhausting to have two large litters back to back. My advise would be; Breed one of your other dogs and let mom have a break. ------------------------------------------------------------------ www.vomcorahauskennels.com
Hi just a quick question wondering if anyone could help, my 18 month old chihuahua caught pregnant through an accident, she had the pups two days ago but I think they were a few days early. she labored two on her own as we were not expecting them and when I saw them one had died and she ate it, then she labored another one and both seemed healthy for two days then both of them died, they did both look healthy and I have no clue why, the vet said it sounds like puppy fading syndrome but when I looked it up there is several reasons for it, anyway because she is so hurt and clearly grieving for them I wanted to know if it would be a good idea to skip a heat before I bread her or do it back to back, I did not initially get her to bread but after seeing her so upset feel she deserves at least one chance to have healthy pups.