My older cat, Kira, has had terrible allergies all her life and nothing has seemed to help. So recently I thought I'd try a grain-free diet with her because I hadnt tried that before. Well she's been eating Innova Evo dry food for about 6 weeks and has done great on it until about a week ago. Around last Friday she started having diarrhea. I didn't think too much about it the first couple days because sometimes diarrhea just happens and clears up within a few days. Well Monday and Tuesday she seemed to be getting better (esp. Tuesday - ate well and had more solid poop) but that night it was back to diarrhea. Now it's gotten pretty bad-watery diarrhea about 5 times a day. It's been a week and I'm pretty worried now. She does drink a lot of water (has since I switched her to Evo) but still only pees once-twice a day. My new kitten also has been eating Evo the past two weeks and has been fine, but I give her a raw medallion or some canned in the evenings in addition to the dry. I started researching Evo and found a site where some people were claiming the foods killed their cats, and that some cats just can't handle that high of a protein diet. Some said their cats did fine for several months and then developed severe diarrhea and had some kidney problems. Others say it's great and they've never had any problems. I'm really worried this food is making my cat sick and possibly hurting her kidneys. Have any of you heard anything bad about Innova Evo for cats? For now I have taken the food away hoping lack of food will cause there to be nothing to poop out and will hopefully get rid of the diarrhea, but I am calling the vet monday morning if she's still not any better.
I'm not considering switcher her to Nature's Variety grain-free canned food (rabbit)..I'm hoping this will be both good for her allergies and won't make her sick. I read that canned food is much better than dry for cats because cats need that moisture.
If any of you have any suggestions or opinions please help
I am a Persian breeder and have had several customers tell me that they had put their kittens on Innova Evo, only to have them come down with diarrhea. One customer went through this just recently, and I told her that it was too high in protein. Once she changed the food, the diarrhea went away. Any food that is that high in protein is bound to cause loose stools. The optimal balance is around 38% protein, and no more than 18% fat for young healthy indoor cats. Also, if you feed your kitty strictly on a wet canned food, you should supplement with additional proteins, vitamins and minerals, as canned food does not contain enough protein or fat and the kitty will become very thin regardless of the amount it eats. Most cans contain only around 7% to 10% protein and maybe 8% fat. Cats will starve to death if fed strictly canned food. It would be wise if you want to give wet food to also allow free feeding of a good quality dry food as well. Feeding canned food only also contibutes to plaque and tarter build up on the teeth.
Hope this helps. Best of Luck.
***Edited By: laro on 5/8/2007 9:54:39 AM*** Reason: x
My cat got better immediately once I took the Innova Evo away. Seriously, I took the food away Friday afternoon and bought her Nature's Variety Rabbit (canned) Satuday afternoon and fed her and there was no more diarrhea. She's been doing great on the Nature's Variety, and I'm hoping the rabbit protein source will be good for her allergies. I'm hoping to introduce some of the raw rabbit into her diet too. With my younger kitty, she gets a can of Merrick canned food a day (1/2 a can in the morning, then a raw medallion in the afternoon, and 1/2 a can w/ a little dry in the evenings). Both seem to be doing great now.
That is not true about a cat being soley on canned food. Canned food is actually better for cats because they have a low thirst drive and they need the moisture from their food. After the Innova Evo made my cat sick, I researched a lot about cat diets and found that raw is best followed by super premium canned foods. The reason it appears that canned food has less protein and fat is because it has such a high percentage of water. If you eliminate the water, canned food actually has more protein compated to dry foods. And "dry food helps control tarter build-up" is a myth. Actually, grains in dry foods are mostly the cause of plaque and tarter buildup. The fact is that animals, just like us, need their teeth brushed and cleaned on a regular basis to prevent tarter buildup.
People never cease to amaze me. You asked for help or opinions in not one but two postings...ie "Please Help!" Then when someone takes the time to try and help you, you come back and bash them, basically calling me a liar in your last post.
I have owned cats for nearly 20 years, and have raised plenty of healthy kittens. I too read, probably more than most people, as I am an avid researcher. I know what I am talking about.
In comparison to dry food, canned food only contains more protein by volume if it is being analyzed in a dehydrated state and the analyzed amount being compared to dry is the same amount/weight in dry form.
However, you do not feed canned food in the dehydrated state. Therefore, canned food contains MOSTLY WATER, and in hydrated form, does not contain more nutrition than dry food.
Dry food also contains carbohydrates,(which IS NEEDED to maintain body weight)fats and other supplements that is taken into consideration when analyzing nutritional ingredients by volume. What you ARE NOT considering is that because canned food is 78% water, THAT is what they are getting the most of when you are feeding canned food. By volume that leaves very little nutrition per meal.
Domestic cats are not large meal eaters, they nibble a little and stop. When you feed wet food, the water in the food fills them up and makes them full faster. Then a few hours later, they are crying and looking for something to eat because they have peed it all out and are hungry again. When you give a good premium all natural dry food that contains real meat as the first few ingredients, they will eat more of it, in turn getting more nutrition in the form of a balanced diet rich in meat proteins, fat, and carbohydrates, because by volume, it is not watered down and they don't get full as quickly so they eat an amount that will fill them up, keep them satisfied for hours and give them the nutrition that their bodies need to function.
I recently got one of my female Persians back from an owner that had her 6 months. When she left here, she was a healthy solid weight and in good condition thanks to the diet that I maintain for them. When the owner called to ask if I would keep her for her for a week, I said yes. Well, when I got her back, she was emaciated and had muscle wasting, basically skin and bones. When I called the owner to ask if she had been feeding her the diet that I recommended, she said that she had mainly been eating canned food. I took her into my Vet for bloodwork and a checkup to make sure that she wasn't ill, and he reaffirmed my opinion, that she was indeed emaciated from eating just wet food. Eating only canned food (being only protein with very little fat and mainly water), she was starving to death. This happened just the week of Easter, and I still have her nursing her back to health on daily feedings of kitten formula and DRY kitten food. She is slowly rebuilding her muscle mass through her back and thighs and beginning to fill out. She now has the energy to stand on her own and run and play because she is getting a balanced diet with carbohydrates needed for energy. And NO, the owner is not getting her back. In my opinion, she was neglected and I will not stand for that.
So, bash me if you must, but I believe that I know a little more about nutrition for cats than you care to give me credit for.
Oh and about the tarter, yes the wet food does contribute to plaque and tartar more than dry food as it is wet and the greasy residue clings to the teeth and gums and harbors bacteria causing plaque and tarter build up. I have never had to put any of my cats to sleep to have their teeth cleaned, and I don't recommend it as anesthesia is very risky with cats. Use Proden's Plaque Off over their food and their teeth will stay clean and white.
Now....go ahead and bash me again if you must.
***Edited By: laro on 5/7/2007 6:19:31 PM*** Reason: spelling
Laro, you need to re-read my post and take a chill pill - I NEVER bashed you. I think you're a little oversensitive. I did ask for help concerning INNOVA EVO and if anyone had any experiences with it making their pets sick (being that it so high in protein). So I did appreciate you sharing your customers experience with the food as it confirms that the Evo was making my cat sick. I just don't believe that all cats need to eat dry food or they'll starve. Honestly, ever animal is different just like people and what they need nutritionally varies a little with each individual pet. What works perfectly for one might not be the best thing for the next. So yes, some cats may need that dry food but I think some would do find on just canned..it just depends on the individual animal.
My older cat also has allergies and I don't see any dry foods out there made of Rabbit which is what I'm trying with her now. I am getting her to eat some raw rabbit as well by mixing it with some canned. My younger kitten eats 1.5oz canned food in morning, 1oz raw food in afternoon, and 1.5oz canned food mixed with a tiny amount of dry food in the evening and she's a chubby little girl. I say do what works for you, but the dry food I was trying to feed my cat was making her sick. And my younger cat's breeder (also a Persian breeder of 20 years with top winning cats)e-mailed me after posting my original question and told me dry food should only be used as a snack or when raw or canned food cannot be provided, and her cats are all extremely healthy.
Call it what you will, but the second paragraph of that post sure as heck wasn't agreeing with what I told you. On the contrary, you completely contradicted everything that I said. And no, I am not overly sensitive. My skin is pretty thick and not much bothers me, except when I have taken the time to try and help someone and they come back with a condesending attitude.
I don't think that you were truly seeking help for cats, you were looking for a debate, or maybe an argument. However, my intentions were truly to help you with your cats.
Take it or leave it, it's your choice. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. But maybe in the future when you ask for help and someone is kind enough to take the time and give an opinion, you may want to use a little more respect and say Thanks instead whether you agree or not with their advice.
I wasn't asking for opinions on if wet food was better than dry food or about keeping teeth clean. I was only asking about Innova Evo and how cats do on it. And just because I was disagreeing with some of the things you said (which by the way didn't have to do with Innova Evo specifically) does not mean I was bashing you. I was asking for advise about that type of food and I said I appreciated your reply to that...but like I said, I didn't agree with some of the other things and I didn't have to. People have different opinions..just because people don't agree doesn't mean they're trying to start a fight. And coming from someone who has been on this forum for a year now, there is a lot of fighting on this board and I pretty much stay out of it.