I have used the Gentle leader in the past when it was just Kiba. Gave up since all she did was paw at the thing. Tried a few things in between. The latest thing I've got now is the Easy Walk Harness. While they still pull... it's not so much.
So today I found the Gentle Leader under my bed. Tried it on Stryder. He fought like crazy, but I decided that maybe he's just gotta calm down. Took him outside, and just kept walking.. if he stopped to paw it he got dragged. After awhile.. OMG it was like a different dog. Walking nicely next to me... if he tried to pull I just turned in a circle and walked the other way.
Tried it again on Kiba.. she pawed like crazy snorting in protest, but after awhile it was like she remembered and was walking calmly next to me.
Do you think I would be able to walk both of them if they had the Gentle Leaders on? Would I have to walk one on each side of me.. are kinda discipline them both of one started to go ahead?
Or should I go back to using the Easy Walk Harness?
I'm with you Wandering and much prefer a pinch collar to almost anything for training. Most trainers no a days will not allow them in their classes so I now use a martingale which can also deliver a correction. Never had luck with gentle leaders and I've never tried an easy walker.
i have no personal experience with an easy walk harness. i can tell you though that clients come in with all sorts of different types of walking harnesses and none of them work worth a damn as far as i;m concerned. but i dont know what kinds are what so maybe i have not come across one of these easy walkers yet.
i had a gentle leader for thunder many years ago. he pawed and pawed and pawed at it and finally just chewed the thing in half. bought another one, chewed that one also. so we went to a prong and now he has been worked off the prong and does extremely well. i started scout right with the prong, and this past weekend bought her a choke hoping i can wean her off the prong like i have with thunder. it doesnt look too hopeful right now but its only been a few days. with the prong on she doesnt even try to push the envelope. with everything else she does.
i think if the gentle leader works well for each of them, and they don't mind it at this point, i would stick with it.
do you need this just for training ? or do you want them to walk nicely beside you even when you are out on your pleasure walks ? when i take my guys out for our fun walks, i dont ask them to stay beside me. the walk isnt much fun for them if they are constanty in heel position. as long as they dont drag me down, and obey when it is necessary, they have free ramge to do as they please on our walks.
Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.
I personally love the gentle leader. I used in on my saint and he learned very quickly, now i don't have to use anything. I know everyone has thier own opionions but i personally would recommend them to anyone!
If I walk them in the woods, they are off leash. Walking anywheres else, going to the petstore, etc they are monsters. Pulling me all over the place and doing whatever they want. I wouldnt care if they were on flexi leads just as long as they werent pulling.
I'm tempted to get me a sled and try them as sled dogs soon enough.....
Merico, I think its a Schnauzer thing, cause mine could be sled dogs too! they pull so bad, and they are strong little boogers. I would like to try the gentle leader, but never have. We had Max in obedience classes with a choke collar and he still pulls, schnauzer's are so stubborn.
Mere, I use the gentle leader on both Wiley and Blaze and walk them both at the same time. I works very well for me because of them being huskies they love to pull. I find it so easy and it is sure better for the dog then hurting there throat.
There is not one collar that works for every breed of dog. I could never put a flat collar on my dogs, Italian Greyhounds, because their head would slip through (this dog is not to be off lead) and one is an agility dog. I can't remember the last time I saw a sight hound without a martingale collar walking on lead.
My brother had bloodhounds and they needed spike collars due to the fact they had all that skin hanging around their necks. In class he used a chain collar, but not at home when he was training.
Most toy breeds don't even need a chain collar for training. Terriers just getting trained may need more than a chain collar.
I've never used a gentle lead or an easy walk harness, but if I had a big dog that pulled I would try it. In fact I would try everything until I found what worked for my dog and me.
I do know people that use both and a pull on the nose gets a faster correction from their dog than when they had a chain collar on and where choking the dog to death because he wouldn't stop pulling.
Oh wow, good thing I googled "gentle leader", same thing as a halti right?? That is what I use for Mollie and the only thing that has curbed her pulling. We tried choke chain (just choked herself), a pinch collar didn't even phase her (trainer was amazed), and normal harnesses, she just pulled harder (more weight to pull with). We did try an easy walk harness at Petsmart, but she still pulled more than she should have. With the halti, she has less strength to pull, but one warning, make sure you have the clip for the collar because if they start shaking their heads or pawing at it, it can come right off and you've got a dog on the loose.