So I have a puppy that is almost 4 months old and I bought her when she was 2 months. She is a Chihuahua/JRT mix and from the start appeared to be very smart. I was still at school (Im in college) and she was there with me for 2 weeks and now has been home with me since the first week of May. She only has had about 3 accidents and two were within the first week that we got her and then learned to take her out more often and the other time was last week because my stupid brother (pardon my language lol) was watching T.V. (when he was supposed to be watching her) and didn't hear her whining at the door. The only good sign was that sent went right by the back door waiting to get let out. In the short time we've had her she seems to have adapted very well and learned a lot. When she has to go shell whine and you can tell she has to go and I'll let her out and she'll run full spead to the grass go and then come running back. However, once I returned home from school I started working and she was going to have to be left alone for a few hours a day (about 4) until someone in my family came home. I started placing those pee-pads out to see what she would do with them because they were supposed to "attract dogs" to them. She at first ignored it then out of the blue started to use it. I rewarded her each time she did and she still does while were gone. I simply leave her alone in the room with her crate door open and puppy proof the floor leaving her with her water and the pad out. Each time I've come home theres not traces of her going on the floor or anywhere else in my room, only on the pad and shell either be sleeping or chewing on one of her toys. She still will go outside when I let her out and seems to prefer to go outside rather than on the pad and only goes on the pad if she thinks were not letting her out soon.
She just seems too good to be true and I just wanted other people's input to see if they think this method of training is a bad idea or what is any1's thoughts? I don't want it to backfire on me and confuse her or anything so any suggestions would help greatly.
Ps. - Part of the reason for the pad is she only weighs 3 lbs and has a small bladder.
She should be able to hold it. Does she hold it all night? If she does it does not hurt her to have a couple hours where she is in the crate when you are at work. She probably wont go in the crate so that even helps potty train her more. Dogs will work to your schedule, and she should get use to that.
Pope, tell that to Tater. He loves them and uses them. He never goes anywhere else.
I do take him outside throughout the day to cut down on the number of wee pads used and since he is male but nuetered he does lift his leg on the bushes outside but never in the house. I live too far out for someone to come let him out if I am going to be gone.
A 3 pound dog can't hold it for hours. I have a toy breed dogs. The oldest male needed to go every two hours (even at night) when he was a puppy. I have a dog door so it isn't a big deal for me how many times he goes outside. Now that he is bigger and older he can hold it for three to four hours. Use the pee pads and still take the dog outside. My mom uses pee pads and she has a dog door (she has five dogs, three are toys-all different breed ). Better on the pad than all over the floors everywhere.
Toy breed dogs tend to be harder to house train because they have tiny little bladders. They need to go more often which can be hard to deal with if you have to get up all the time throughout the night then go to work the next day.
If pads work for you use them.
Pope - Pads do cost money, but how much do paper towels, odor and stain cleaner, and then new carpets cost? When you clean up pee from carpet the carpet never looks the same. If female urine can yellow grass what do you think it does to carpets. I didn't even add in time to find and clean up the pee. How much does it cost to pay some one to come let the dog out plus if they forget doesn't she still have to clean it up?
Pads do cost money but, I got online and I know I have mentioned this before but I get on ebay and order them in cases of 300 and they are a lot cheaper than buying them at the stores. It averges out to about .10 cents a pad that way, the bigger the lot the cheaper per pad. Make sure to check to see how big they are before committing to a bid.
But isn't the point of crate training teaching the dog to "hold it?" The OP said that the dog is alone for 4 hours. I admittedly don't know much about small dogs, but they can't hold it for that long? Pope has experience with small dogs. (Forgive me if I am wrong) I believe that Owen is a toy poodle. So she was able to train him to only go outside. I suppose if pee pads work for your dog, that is fine. I always assumed that you were confusing the dog by teaching them to go inside and outside.
Tater really isnt "trained" to go outside he is pretty much pee pad trained. But when he is outside he does eliminate, which for me is just one less wee pad to throw away. He never tries to hold it to go outside, he just uses the pad when we are in the house. I tried training him to go out when i got him but he either just wasnt getting it or he thought it was too cold outside, it was winter and he doesnt have much hair. Winter is the worst time to train an Italian Greyhound to go outside to potty. They look at you and say, "yea right, i'm not going out there in the freezing cold" they will literally stand next to you until they would get so cold they will get sick. They also have very little body fat to keep warm. Pee pads were the only way to go at the time.
I'd rather not have dog piss in my house at all, actually. I spend enough time cleaning daily, never mind pet elimination...yuck. Sick pets are one thing, but if you get a pet and don't have the time to train them or take them out to relieve themselves, you shouldn't have a pet.
In my opinion, it is best to go all the way and train them to go outside from the get go without adding the confusion of designated pee zones inside.
I can't imagine if I had three dogs making the decision of where they saw fit to "go" each time.
And thank you for adding that on my behalf leo, I do have experience with small dogs. 3 of them around the same age to be exact.
Right now, I am also dealing with starting at square one with my foster dog because I don't know how well house trained he is, I would rather do it this way, than find out the hard way. I take him out every couple hours as if he were my new puppy. I caught him marking once during introductions through the baby gate, but since I stopped him mid squirt, redirected him outside and stuck to this schedule so he learns what is expected in the house routine, it has not been a problem even one time since.
I have dogs that absolutely loathe the rain etc.. I have physically gotten soaked myself many times and had to sit there playing goalie on my front porch steps until they did what they were out there for.
A lot of toy breed owners pad or litter train their dogs. My point was if I had to work and leave my dogs at home I would rather they go on a pee pad. I stay at home, have a dog door, and both my boys go outside rain or shine to do their business. Not everyone else has my life or my dog's life so they have to make do with the least amount of mess clean up as possible.
***Edited By: Denim on 6/6/2007 5:57:04 PM*** Reason: spelling error
Can I just say, I don't understand the tiny little bladder thing? I mean, a little toy breed doesn't have to hold a great dane amount of pee in his bladder-he only has to hold a toy breed amount of pee! It's not like he has to go every hour because his bladder is smaller. HE is smaller, so he's going to drink less, pee less, etc. Everything is in proportion to his body size.
That's like people who say they have to carry their little toy breed around because it "tires out too quickly". It has 4 legs just the same as any other size dog, and is just as capable of walking! Only difference I can see is if you're walking a distance at a very brisk pace, he will have to take more steps to keep up.
Well I have 3 small dogs and a puppy and not one of them would even know what to do with Pee-Pads. Are dog trainer for are puppy even said she doesn't like them as they confuse alot of dogs. Are dogs can all hold it over night about like 6-7 hours.
I think pope is right if you don't have time to take your dog out don't have one.
I had the time to train him, I work from home and am home all day, some dogs are different than other dogs. WARNING, if you dont like accidents, never get an Italian Greyhound, the breed is not right for you. Some might say they are the most difficult to house train. Until you own one, dont knock pee pads. Many of them are never completely housebroken to go outside or to pee pads. We are doing good by IG standards with 100% pad usage. Not only do they not like cold weather the can't tolerate it because of their lean stature and extremely short coat. I knew what to expect when I got him. I other dogs that are completely house trained so yes I do have the time, Iggy's are just different and until you own one, you will never know what I am talking about.
I tried pee pads 20+ yrs ago and swore I would never try them again. So.....when we got our JRT a few months ago what do I buy?? Pee Pads.....Why?? I dont know, waste of money, the ones he didnt eat I ended up giving away. I'm home full time and just learned to take him out every hour or 2 as a baby and now, at 7mos he will go to the door or get excited when I say "Go Potty" He hasnt had an accident in the house in months and I am very comfortable giving him free roam of the house when I'm gone. Just my 2 cents JCarol
Our dog is supposedly a chihuahua/Iggy mix. He has the long, slender legs of an Iggy and a short coat with almost no hair on his underside. And he definitely has the Iggy tendencies regarding potty habits. He does not tolerate cold, rain, or snow, and occasionally will even have an accident in the house for no apparent reason when the weather is pleasant. And that is with a dog door! The number of accidents has declined lately, in part because he figured out he can relieve himself in the patio, which is covered, and because I kept a coat on him 24/7 during the coldest parts of winter. He seems to dislike stepping on grass, so that doesn't help either.
He had gone probably 6 months without an accident, then pooped in the house recently. So I'm trying something new lately, taking him on fairly long walks before I leave for work. I at least know that way that he's pooped and the bladder is 100% empty when I leave the house.
I have come to the conclusion that even with time and the best of intentions, some small dogs will be only 99.9% housetrained.
***Edited By: illini on 6/7/2007 10:46:24 AM*** Reason: add