For anyone that said it was a puppy mill, who can tell that from her site, just because the dogs are to big? Or you can't tell if there is health testing?
I know someone from where I live that shows and has boxer and all and I mean all of his boxer are way to big for standards, but everyone keeps buying and raising these dogs. As a breeder that does health testing and all of our dogs are in AKC standards, I understand that people are upset the way some people raise their puppies, but can you go through every place and call them a puppy mill, by their web site? Since this is going to open a can of worms on me, I just wanted to know. I wanted to know how do you judge without going there?
Boxercorp...I think they were refering to where her breeding stock came from not her personally.
Having worked with animals for a long time in the past I generally dismiss people when they give the size of their animals in pounds. This is mainly because most people are horrible about guessing weight and are generally way off the mark. If your Dobes are that far out of standard spaying and neutering is the best idea.
I am somewhat familiar with the kennel mentioned. Their goal is to breed the biggest of each breed they have.(rotts too I believe) problem with that is breeding them intentioanlly so oversize creates health isues with things such as the heart, etc. Look what happened to the lifespan on Great Danes when everyone decided to breed them bigger.
I personally like a larger form of the Dobe. The current style is too refined for my taste, i like the older style large boned, heavier head, etc. But at a point there is too big, many of theirs reach that.
I looked at your site, hard to tell from a pi, but he sure doesnt look 140lbs by the pictures.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
Right or wrong, the size of their Dobes kind of makes them look like danes only with Black and Tan markings and I am referring to that big kennel Kimbertal (spelling?). I dont know anything about Dobes but I know that some breeds have an arguable double standard. Most sporting breeds have bench dogs and field dogs and you also have the European version of the breed for my weims. Some will argue that there shouldnt be a difference between bench and field and I am not going to go there at this point. The "breed standard" from AKC is usually the bench standard for those who choose to go by it.
I was just asking and I haven't been there. But like I said as far as the boxers, their are people in my state that breed the dogs big and still show them, they do win ch. Well then it is best for everyone all the way around.
I used to breed akitas years ago and had to stop and give up on this breed because of the constant fighting. Just when I thought they were all settled down, the smallest thing would set them off and get them in each other throat. I had to quit Akitas altogether and move to a more docile dog friendly breeds.
Recently, I too came to the decision that breeding is no longer in my future. After breeding for 16 years, it was hard to call it quit, but you got to do what you got to do.
As for oversize dogs, that is what people want. I had a beautiful golden retriever that was about 24 inches at the shoulder and about 70 pounds. He was a well within the standard and was a perfect representation of his breed. Yet, on more then few occasions, people would look at him and say that he was too small. They either had or saw a much bigger golden and that what they were looking for. People want what people want, and it is not always what the standard dictates. If you try to explain that what they are looking for is not what a dog of this breed should be, they look at you as if you are trying to pull something over them because they just "know better". Because of this false public expectation, I eventually searched for and found a giant over size male that everyone was happy with.
I'll bet that no one who came to see FergusMagee's pups complained about the size of their father. In fact, it only helped her sell those pups. Most people do not care about the standard. They are looking for a pet, not a show dog. When they got a certain look and size in mind, if you do not have what they want, they move on to the next litter on their list.
If I seem to have a superiority complex, it is because you make it so easy.
I don't see any weight disqualifications or faults on the AKC standard for Dobies (and, although there is a height standard, it is not a stated disqualification or fault to be taller/shorter than the standard).
The standard for the AKC boxer specifically states: "... Proper balance and quality in the individual should be of primary importance since there is no size disqualification. ..."
It seems that as long as the Dobie or the Boxer is proportionate (height/length/weight), it's within the AKC standard, which standard is driven by parent breed clubs.
Thanks GBroxon, I was unaware of that. I was more disappointed about the Kimbertal Kennel. Most people around here have heard about their poor reputation. I remember a few years back that they had bred a brother and sister Rottweiler. They supposedly have this "great" guarantee on their puppies. It is on the website. They guarantee that none of their puppies will ever have genetic issues. If it does, you can trade in your puppy for another one. Of course, what they don't mention is that your dog can not be spayed, neutered or used for breeding purposes for that guarantee to be applicable to you. You also must have had their ears cropped for the guarantee to be in effect. I remember when my Dad and I were there looking at dogs. They were all crammed into little stalls, NOTHING at all like you see on the website. It was just very sad. They have been the target of protests and complaints, especially after many people assumed that they intentionally burned down their Rottweiler kennel. I can't say that I know for sure if that is true or not. I called my dad to see what he could remember about it, and he reiterated the puppy mill thing. But he also could not say if they had the best bloodlines or not. But everything else cancels it out for me. I was just all around disgusted by that place.
a good friend of mine was looking for an oversized rottweiler some years back. she went and got a puppy from kimbertal. though i have heard the worst about kimbertal, i do have to say that angus has one of the best temperaments ever in a rottweiler. he hss had several ACL surgeries, most likely due to his being oversized, but a great dog none the less.
based on everything i know of that kennel though i wouldnt recommend getting a dog from them at all.
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