We are having a really hard time with this. My dog Jayden is a Border Collie mix and I have had her since she was 8 weeks old and she has gone through two obedience sessions and is now in agility to help with her energy but the problem is she won't stop running away. Yesterday she got out of the house and took off and ran about 2 miles away, I almost saw her get hit by a car. When we are not at home, her recall is great but at home she has NONE. I try to let her energy out in many different ways and we are constantly working on her recall at home but I do not know what to do. We live in town and about a block from a highway. My last dog was a Border Collie/Chow mix and she was killed on that highway because she was hit by a car and I can't go through that again. We are debating whether we should keep her or not. I really don't want to give her up but I couldn't live with myself if she was killed. She is around 8 months old. What do you think I should do?
How is she getting out of the house? It might be one of those deals when you will have to keep her on a leash at all times to make her easier to catch and stop from getting out of the house. Make sure everyone has a firm hold on her collar/leash before the door is opened every time. If her running off is the only issue, she's not destructive or anything, she really won't be any better off at a new home IMHO. They might not understand how she acts and invertantly increase the chances of her being struck by a car or worse.
She is a little destructive but the thing is is that we do not have a fenced yard. When she is not in the house, she is kept in a 10x20 kennel or crated, or being walked. But she can climb out of the kennel and she also will dig out of it. She got out yesterday because of someone coming in the house and I was in the room, she just bolted out before anyone really knew what was happening. She will chew threw leashes if they are left on her. Our other problem, is she is teaching Koda, who typically doesn't go anywhere to run.
When i was a kid i had a border collie and unless we were watching him 24-7 he would run 6 blocks down, he got hit by a car and broke his leg and after that we had to keep him on a chain because we didn't want to sell him he was so sweet and smart! A chain would work well. Just put the chain somwhere and when your dog needs to go potty tie it up and let it go to the bathroom and play for a while and bring him back in.Don't use rope because she will chew through it. Go to Wal-Mart and go to the pet section and usually there are these Saint Bernard chains, the arn't chain linked, they are wire with hard plastic covering and they are 40 ft. long so it can still run, but not as far! They are usually about $10.00.
We have tried the cable tie outs but when Jayden is left alone outside, she barks. My neighbors are kind of Jerks and I don't trust them at all. They have a mean Pit/Shar Pei mix. He has bitten before and has growled at me before and I don't trust my dogs alone outside with him there. They let him run loose all the time, and even though there is a leash law, it is not strongly enforced here.
i think put a sign on the door saying something like "there may be a delay answering the door while we bring the dogs under control." then don't answer the door until she is leashed or contained, and be 100% vigilant about that. whenever anyone goes out the door from the inside you'll have to make sure she is contained or in the "wait" mode. i have a border collie mix who also bolts, and i have been able to teach her the "wait" command where if i say "wait" she will wait at the open door and not bolt. however, if i have the door open too long and she is off leash, she'll take that opportunity to run!
She knows the wait command but doesn't always feel like doing it. What do I do about having her outside though? She loves to play with Koda in the Kennel but she climbs over it and we have tried covering it but they just chew through it. And like I said being tied up she barks all the time. It is just getting frustrating and we are having a hard time keeping Koda minding because he is copying her, and he is completely trained. We tried training Jayden more obedience but lol, it is like a kid with ADD she just cannot control herself, she gets so very bored and just wants to run.
Get a fence! It doesn't cost much, and there are plenty of people who would put it up, at little charge. Why don't yuo have a fence in the first place, because you know Boreders like to kill energy? Or, if you cannot get a fence, get a big run, made out of chain-link fence, about 15x15 foot, minimum.Good luck! ---Allie the Chihuahua is mine!!! http://www.dogster.com/?41063 Wanna be pup pals?
sure hoosgow, why not? Allie, the reason we do not have a fence is because of where I live, it is a rental. We are getting ready to move and are planning on having a fence sometime after we move but we do not know when. Price is a big factor. I have two little kids, other animals and also we have just recently had to take custody of my 17 year old sister. Long Story.
this is what i would do, and it dies work and if done right does not take any confidence away from the dog. i would understand though if you do not like it.' e-collar. now, yes, if used incorrectly, can be a bad thing but if used correctly does not have to be to hard on the dog. positive reinforced training does and can work with some dogs. the problem is when a dogs desire to please himself, outweighs his desire to please you. then it is time to establish some control. I start by always putting the collar on the dog everytime we go out for a session. it might be a while before i use it but you want the dog to always be used to wearing it. with a check cord and a choke chain i teach here. don't choke the dog, small but sharp little tugs and get the dog to come in. continue this until you are sure the dog understands the command and on the check cord will immediatly turn and run towards you at the command without you haveing to tug. next transfer this to the collar. determine the lowest setting that the dog will respond to and on teh check cord, say the command, tug and stimulate all at the same time. as soon as the dog has turned and is started towards you stop the stimulation. the dog learns to turn it off by obeying your command. it should be high enough to annoy the dog, not hurt it. after it learns that it turns it off by obeying, take it out n a big field and turn it loose. it will sometimes take a higher level now because the dog knows being off of lead. start recalling it at 30 feet and slowly let it range further between recalls. if it turns and heads towards you right away, do not stimulate and praise highly when it arrives. if you have to stimulate it to get it to respond, praise only a little. when it comes back without stimulation make a big deal of it. i have fresh dogs returning in 3-4 weeks from 1/2 a mile away. remember it is progressive, little steps. you can also use this method to teach whoa (stay) to prevent busting out the door.
We have considered using some of the training collars, right now we are using the pinch(aka prong collar) and sometimes the corrections have no effect on her, while with Koda, minimum corrections are neccessary. The problem with the training collars such as the e-collar and shock collars are the price, we had planned on getting the invisible fence but we just can't afford it. Any suggestions on where to look at for cheaper collars? I typically would have no problem just buying something and trying it, but with everything happening, (there is alot more stuff going on that is extremely costly) and we have had to really tighten up on our money.
moeny can be an issue, and when it comes to e-collars you definatly get what you pay for. not all expensive ones are good however. the 2 most important things to look for are many levels of continuos not momentary stimulation and make sure that the level adjuster is physically indexed meaning that it "clicks" into each level. a gradual rheostat will cause a lot of problems with inconsistant voltage. I by far, prefere the tritronics pro100. new for a one dog unit runs about 430 or so, and i paid a little over 600 for the 2 dog model. try looking on e-bay or try out different hunting dog forums for a used one. one thing that i have definatly learned is that the righ equipment, even though expensive now both lasts longer and makes traing much wsier on both me and the dog. choke or pinch collars work but only when the dog is on lead and you are in a position to immediatly correct. 10 seconds after the infraction is to late. i would be wary of an electronic fence with a bold dog. if the dog can take a good shock, it will learn that it just has to blast through and the freedom is often worth the little shock they get. reall passive, inactive dogs it may work out well. mine i am sure would only laugh at it as they ran off. we spend a fair amount of money on leads/training collars/bird releases ect. but we also do a lot of training. you might also want to try to find big areas for the dog to run in. border collies are not as fired up as my bird dogs but they do like to get out and stretch it out sometimes. an hour of reall running 4 or 5 times a week might help. don't know where you live though, when i say big field i mena at least a couple of miles per side.
it can be expensive, that is true. it is also a bit different for me where my life is focused on the dogs more then anything else. that is why i live in a small old farmhouse instead of a nice house in town. i have room, no one bothers me and i can train and shoot right outside my door.
pearl, don't take offense at this but i think we are not talking about the same sort of running. dog parks can be great but a dog that really needs to stretch out needs a couple of square miles to do so. it sounds like this border collie is like that.