yikes, dont even get us started with pet stores etc... they are all puppy mill dogs regardless of what the stores say. It's just the way it works. and as already posted, NO PROFESSIONAL breeder would ever sell a puppy to a pet store. Doesnt mean you dont have a sweet dog, just facts are facts. Breeding of 2 different breeds, another sore subject because nobody screens for genetic problems and the single most important aspect of professional breeders is we screen for this, only doing what's in the best interest of the breed itself.
here is what i cannot quite grasp from this message board. why are people arguing over what this mixed breed or that mixed breed is called? if people refere to them as mixed/mutts or not. what matters is that people are loving their dogs. i can understand breeders being upset from a financial point of view if they breed pure breeds. but every pure breed that is regestered with the akc once was a mutt.
as for puppy mills, if you dont buy from a store that sells dogs from mills then that is fine. i also think rescue animals are great.
and, i am not sure who, i think it was catlover, (but not sure) who said that stores only sell from mills. i personally had a cocker spaniel. (Sneakers) the best dog i have ever had, may she rest in peace. anyway, i breed her once with a male cocker spaniel. the result was a litter of 12 puppies with only one tie. (my poor baby) after i sold and or gave away the puppies to friends and family there were three puppies left. try as i might i could not place them. i did bring the puppies to the shop where i had Sneakers groomed. they took and sold the puppies, keeping part of the profits for themselves. the puppies cam complete with akc papers. so, shops do sell animals that are nopt from mills.
No one is arguing here about the name you want to call your dog exactly. But why not state what it is? A Pug/beagle mix...its all these cutesy names that people give them in trying to make it seem as though they have a true 'breed' which is not the case. And alot of times, many people use several different ways of nicknaming their mixed breed and then there is confusion as to which mix they are referring to as well. If you simply said pug/beagle mix...no confusion there. The true breeds are simple as they are understandably a true breed and recognized...Doberman , self explanatory, etc.
Yes, educate yourself please. Puppies from pet stores DO come from puppy mills, it is a fact.
Does someone have some links to share...I believe once someone sees what the puppy mills are like, maybe they will stop and realize that they should not be supporting them!
I'm glad you got a lovely dog, and I'm sure she is well loved! Your argument on the cockers you sent to a store to be sold for you is not an example to be used to prove your point! Unfortunately the folks who got those pups undoubtedly recieved pups out of parents of unknown or questionable backgrounds, no genetic testing, no health guarantees, unknown temperaments (cockers are one of the overbred breeds, whos qualities suffered at the hands of those jumping on the cash wagon). Other than the fact it was your only litter....you did nothing more than use puppymill tactics to be rid of your pups. A true, professional, ethical breeder will NEVER sell to a pet shop....period. They generally have a waiting list for thier pups, and if their is not a home for a pup (pre-screened, and approved) then ethical breeders are willing to keep these pups forever if thats what it takes to find the right home. Never would they toss them away to a shop to see for them just to be rid of them. What one breeds and produces is their resposibility, not to thrown away to whomever just to get rid of them. Also the pups they produce are guaranteed for genetic issues, health and a lifetime return policy if the pup is ever able to not be kept....I'm sure you didnt provide that through the shop you gave them to.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
you seem to have a lot to say, and that is fine. this is, after all, the place to say it. so, with that being said, i will respond with~~~ get off your high horse. you apear to be a breeder. so, with these "designer dogs" you pure breed is being threatened, thus so are your finances.
but never attack me on my giving those pups to the grooming shop, as for the reasons i had to place them. if you had read my previous posts, you would have seen i have a physical disability. at the time i had to give these pups (3 of the 12 went to the shop) i was having surgery to have my left leg amputated due to tumors. so, i was really limited.
as for their "questionable parentage" both my cocker, and the seir were akc registered. and, therefore, so were the puppies, and the puppies came with registration papers.
i know what puppy mills are, but i always ask about where the puppies came from in a pet store. so, you are a breeder telling me its not true, how do i know if you are the one lying to me or the store?
" you seem to have a lot to say, and that is fine. this is, after all, the place to say it. so, with that being said, i will respond with~~~ get off your high horse. you apear to be a breeder. so, with these "designer dogs" you pure breed is being threatened, thus so are your finances. "
Yes , LPN is a breeder. One that does NOT sell her pups to petstores. Obviously you are uneducated about millers and petshops. So here is a little bit of information for you. Its up to you wether you choose to educate yourself or remain ignorant .
Pugslee, As stated I, too, am a professional breeder and would never think of lying to you or anyone, not my style and i understand you have no reason to believe that. However, what lpn and I have both told you is sadly the God's honest truth. Pet store pups are puppy mill dogs. There is no doubt you had your issues, did what you did for your own reasons and nobody here has a right to get involved in your own personal business. I have read the thread and really nobody is trying to argue with you. I think it's a natural reaction to be defensive because information is being stated you may or may not know, may or may not have a different belief on. The only thing I am going to continue to comment on is pet store dogs. They are categorically, unequivocally, puppy mill dogs. Nothing anybody says or does changes that basic fact. Until we close down puppy mills, back yard breeders and such, pet stores will continue to sell "crap". This does not mean YOU or YOUR dogs. There are always exceptions in everything in life. Pet store dogs are sickly, have genetic problems, poorly bred, and most of the time in horrible health. It's just so very sad.
Pugslee- Would a petstore tell you the truth if they wanted to get rid of the dog? One of the petstores around here tells all of their customers that they receive all of their pups from "quality local breeders." Well I have seen the trucks parked out front. They are full of crates and crates of dogs. Doesn't seem like a quality local breeder would have 50-75 puppies just sitting around in crates. Why would LPN lie to you? What does she have to gain?
Also, AKC doesn't mean quality. As long as the parents are registered, the puppies are as well. Even puppymill dogs can be registered as AKC.
Coming from someone who is smack in the middle of the largest puppymill region on the east coast, I can tell you, puppy mills do exist and are alive and well. Sorry Dusty, I wanted to add one more link: http://www.stoppuppymills.com
thank you all for the information. i have read articles, watched documentuaries, etc, on puppy mills. i am against puppy mills. i have always said i would never buy from a pet shop that buys from mills. that is why i always ask them first. so, if the stores are lying, how can they get away with it. isnt there some consumer protection law or something that makes it illeagle for them to sell something under false pretences? i always ask, even if i am going in to just buy a toy or leash or something like that. because i would not want my money to go to mills. how can the consumer know for sure when they are being told different things?
one more thought that may be confusing to you is the AKC. The AKC is not a registry of "health". It's mearly a registry of pedigree dogs, meaning pure bred. They do not regulate anything whatsoever having to do with health of dogs. Sometimes there is confusion thinking just because a dog has papers from the AKC, it's properly bred and healthy. That is absolutely not true. I happen to even be registered with the AKC and they actually inspect my facility!!! That's another difference with professionals and pet stores. As well, Dept of Agriculture will inspect and regulate professionals, it's wonderful. Pet Stores are just different.
you're welcome for the information. The reason they can get away with it is because we live in American, it's called "free enterprise". But like anything else, it does not mean it's good for you, safe, or done properly. It's just freedom to do what we do. The only thing you can do to safeguard, is take this information, know now we are telling you the truth, and never ever purchase a dog from a store.
My Daisy was purchased from a local pet shop, complete with AKC registration forms. It didn't take much to "google" the breeder's name, and find out it's actually a puppy mill in Missouri, and the "breeder" holds six different USDA licenses.
Daisy was sold as a "pure bred" Maltese. Good Lord, who ever heard of a 15-pound, long-snout, Maltese ~ LOL
Bless her fat little heart, I love her. Her original owners surrendered her to rescue, with all of her paperwork, two years ago. Her patellas are so bad, her legs bowed to compensate. We have the puppy mills to thank for that.
I so take offense to those who support puppy mills in ANYWAY. This includes purchasing a pup from a petstore, as well as purchasing ANYTHING. I also take offense to those who breed, and don't know what they are doing. On Saturday, I will be getting another rescue. I will then have eight in my house. Sickens me to hear someone bred their "pet store" dogs, and had a litter of TWELVE!!! Do the rest of us a favor, save a shelter dog. Maybe find them homes.
And there you go.. debsdog is a typical example of what we have been saying. Good for you for sticking by her, loving her, and giving her the home she needs. Now just dont get another from a store LOL. Missouri and PA are 2 of the worst states with this problem.
yep cat lover, my breed has a HORRIBLE problem with the puppy mills in PA. for my breed, though they are all over, PA is the worst. My Dept of Ag rep told me that in the USA actually PA is the single worst state for puppy mills. They take crate full of puppies all over the country and dump them off at stores. GROSS
you know, there appear to be some people who are "wholier then thou" in this room. i have said that i had one litter with my cocker. and placed them all but three. they went to friends and family. i also said i wouldnt do it again, and only did it that one time. she only had one tie. if i am big enough to say, again, that i only did it once. i have seen the error of my way and repented. it is time to move on. for those of you that have been helpful in providing usful information, thank you.
i wonder what the rest of you do to educate the masses. because doing it in a confrontational manner does not help your cause at all.
Wandering, I have to disagree but disagree respectfully. I had to learn too way back when and I assure you I made mistakes. We all do. That's just life. I say hat's off to Pugslee because at least this person has taken the initiative to learn and admit the mistake and not do it again. Takes a big person to admit when their wrong. Frankly it's the first time i've seen that with someone in this forum (though new here) and I say good for her (i think her LOL)
Pugslee.....yes, I am a breeder. The mixed breed market does not 'cut into my profits'. Done properly, there is no real 'profit' to speak of when raising dogs and doing things ethically. I show my dogs as well, therefore most of my dogs are placed in other show homes to be shown, so this is another reason why pet stores and puppymills would not effect my 'so-called profits'.
It does, though effect me in the way that we also do rescue. Takes you to the heart of crappy breeders and puppy mills...ugh.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.