i will continue to ask questions. and search the web for answers. in spite of the disrespect and "bashing" i have received from some, i will stay here with the forum so i can educate myself. i learned a long time ago that the only stupid question is the one you dont ask.
Oh MO! Yep, in the search for a male pup, even if it looks like an okay kennel, if they are in MO, I pass on it. These people are very clever with how they present themselves. It could totally look legit, but still be a puppymill.
Even then, I google EVERY kennel I'm looking at just to be sure.
you're welcome. I'm always available on pm to help anyone with any breed who is looking to do things properly, or to help those looking for any breed of dog as long as they, too, are searching properly, staying far far away from the back yard breeders and puppy mills.
I, for one was not bashing you, I provided correct information. Those who dont know or are unaware of how things are, rather than excepting the information as a learning tool, accuse people af bashing them. My post was not to be condescending, I in fact wished you luck, etc with your baby. In posting facts we can only hope to educate someone that is reading this before they make the mistake as well.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
ok, when it comes time for our next puppy, and we are look for possabily a Cav. King Charles Spaniel. If i look on the web and see "breeder", how will i know the difference b/t a true "breeder" and a puppy mill breeder?
Here are just some of the ways: genetic testing certifications are provided for you showing the adults are sound and clear of problems. EVERY breed has problems. A professional knows what specifically in their breed and addresses them. For example, large breed dogs have joint problems so we OFA (hips/elbows) and they have eye problems so we CERF and PRA test them. We also heart test our dogs. Also, professionals open their facility graciously, even if you are not going to go visit, ask for a visit, see what their response is. 1/2 my clients visit, 1/2 do not. ASK FOR REFERENCES. Very important. Ask the references about health, temperament, etcc... also, get references from 3-5 years ago. Those should also be given to you. Ask about the breeding program, where are the pups raised, how are they raised. There is myth in thinking a breeder that has 20 dogs is not a good breeder. A true professional can have as many as their business deems appropriate. It's the way the kennel is run, the staff, everything that goes into the program that makes a breeder, a real breeder. Also, most good breeders (I think), have a questionnaire for you to fill out so they know where their puppy is going too.
small breed dogs can have many of the same problems, it's breed to breed.
Leo and Deb, thank you. I looked up the name of the breeder, which I will not state, but I will say they are in Kingston, WI 53939. I have coppied a Q&A section, and now I am very suspicious about them be "local breeders" when I live in Florida. Q May people visit your kennel?
A. USDA and inspectors from the State may come through any time and they do but they are very careful. We do not take the general public through for the following reasons.
The biggest U S based terrorist group according to the FBI is ALF and ELF. Many animal activists think all kennels are bad and would like to damage them. We are concerned they may try to do something bad to us or our kennel as they have others. It is very easy for people to accidentally carry in diseases such as Distemper, Hepatitis, Lepto, Brucellosis, Parvo and Pneumonia to mention a few. It is easy for people to accidentally bring in external parasites such as Lice, Mange of different kinds, Fleas and Ticks. They could also accidentally bring in some bad internal parasites such as Hook Worms, Tape Worms and Round Worms for example. Some dogs with young puppies get very excited when they see or smell a stranger near their puppies. They sometimes kill their puppies while trying to save them from a stranger.
People interested in a puppy are welcome to come to our kennel and see some of it. Simply call our Manager, Jackie
Here is the copy/paste of the q&a section. Does anything seem off to you all. Is this puppy mill'ish?
Pugs, the part of the kennel you MUST see is where the adults are, where the puppies are born/raised, the inside. I can't even imagine telling someone they can come here but only see "part". THE ONLY thing I do not open to the public are mommies and their babies outside the puppy room because no professional would open up litters to be seen or handled until they are 5-6 weeks of age. Too dangerous before hand with germs and contamination. But really, professionals are proud of what they own, what they produce, and what they do for the public. It's easy to feel out who is on the level and who is not once you understand what to ask for.
Well, my first red flag was that it is a USDA kennel. That means a commercial breeder. Not a show/performance breeder.
I do understand the bit about the ALF and like organizations being considered terrorists by the FBI, that is absolutely true. Those organizations do not care about animals, they care about their cause. Many of them will intentionally bring a disease into a kennel to kill off dogs. Not exactly humane. The breeder I got two of my dogs from, has to be very protective of her dogs. She once got harassed b/c she lets her litters play in x-pens in her yard! Who doesnt' let their litters play outside every now and then? Crazy!
A lot of kennels do have to worry about liability unfortunately. It is the world we live in.
I am by no means defending the kennel listed.... It does look very suspicious to me. Heck, I found another kennel to get dogs from that I thought was great. I googled them and found out they also breed Labradoodles (Lab/Poodle mix)!! Another one bites the dust! I won't buy from them now.
Husky, one thing, I am liscenced with the USDA and I assure you it's a blessing. I love them!!! They protect me as much as the public. I'm not sure if you were referring to that particular outfit being liscenced or something else. If i have it wrong, sorry. Being under the USDA is a good thing. It means we are inspected, not just our animals and kennel, PAPER WORK too, sheesh they are nuts about my paper work being in order, correct and organized.
Debs~what i was saying is, according to the papers that came w/my dog, this is the kennel that she came from. but, they bold face told me they do not buy from mills. i cant get an answer on their phone.
Sorry if I offended you Savanah... It's just that every USDA kennel I've come into contact with is a puppymill. I didn't mean to imply that ALL USDA kennels are. I always thought that USDA was a good thing too. Then I came across USDA kennels that bred AT LEAST 4-5 breeds of dogs. Not real ethical in my book. Just my opinion.
Even the gov't says that at least 25% of USDA kennels have substandard care and conditions.