Me and hubby were going to petsmart last night and in the parking lot was this mexican family with a sign Lhasa apso puppies for sale. I didnt want to look hubby did, He had Lhasa apso dogs growing up and wanted one when we first were in search of a puppy. So we stop, bad idea..lol They wanted 300 for a male and 350 for a female. They had 2 males and 1 female. They were pure bred no papers. 2.5 months old and were cute as a button. Kinda dirty looking and raggy tho and had some eye sleepies but thought could of been a infection- Hubbys like lets get one and im like No we dont have room. And then i was playing with the black and white little boy that was so friendly and they were such good pups they just played together and didnt try to run off and they were cuddly and gosh just the cutest things. So im sitting there playing with them and thinking ok can i do anther dog this would make 3 but i really have been wanting to hold out for a year or so to get a yorkie that ive wanted for ever now. and thought to myself if i keep buying every cute puppy i see then i will have 100 dogs, and kept saying just walk away . This family was here from texas to work in the cherries here in michigan and i was talking with the lady and she told me that shes also going to sell the mom and dad that shes done breeding dogs and just not into it anymore so she needed to find good homes for all the pups and the parents, which wernt there. Hubby was talking to the husband about work or something and i sat there and played with the puppies, My heart felt bad for them and they did sell one female i guess earlier. I wonder what they will do with them if they dont sell? I couldnt guarentee these pups were well and i wouldnt get anther sick pup like i did Daisy. And i honestly think i have learned my lesson about buying puppies from just anyone with out getting to know where the pups really come from. Were they a hobbie breeder or a byb or a puppy mill breeding dogs for money/ hubby said that 300-350 was pretty decent price for pure bred Lhasa asso pups. So then we leave and my head is going a mile a minute thinking ok i can do anther pup , and then i go into petsmart to go get my dogs treats they ran out of and told hubby ok go see if they will take 250 for the black and white boy. As im walking around in the store im like what in the hell am i doing?? and called hubby on his cell and said nother mind we dont need anther dog- I want to wait for a yorkie and from a good breeder and not some one off teh street. Thinking these pups were cute yes but didint look cared for and then the wet fur around their eyes and not wanting anther dog with a eye problem like Daisy had and still has werid pigment around her eye. So I almost fell into the trap of getting anther puppy, Hubby really wanted the female they had her hair in a pony tail on top of her head but i wanted the little boy that was so playful and kept coming to me and play with me. I woke up happy that i didnt have to clean up puppy pee and poo..lol Puppies really tug at your heart strings im telling ya- every time i see one i want one but then it takes time and attention away from the 2 i have and for now thats all i need.
This is where self restraint from instant gratification of "having" a baby animal right now (for most people the low cost is just a bonus, when ultimately you could end up paying several times over in vet bills what you hand over in an instant), and all that you have learned should come into play screaming in the back of your mind. If people would take a minute out and actually THINK before they got sucked in, and most of the time repeated past actions when they refuse to admit to themselves they are in denial about knowing better.
Most of us on this site, unfortunately, have had to learn the hard truth about our pasts. Just think back to the hell you have been through with your own dogs and coming from shady breeders.
Sure puppies are cute, but it is up to us to know better and look out for their over all well being than to help these amateurs make a couple bucks off if a joke of a "breeding". It is staggering how many people that haven't got a clue out there "having puppies" and even more heartbreaking the dogs who end up paying with their health for most of their lives.
"can I do another dog" and "Can I do another pup" keeps reverberating in my head. Most responsible dog owners buy a puppy after much thought, and careful consideration. You said you've been wanting a Yorkie for quite a while. Maybe you should re-consider that as well, since they also 'pee' and 'poo'. You did'nt mention Daisy's breed, could her eye problem be tear staining? What kind of breed is she?
Before the annoying posters that want to pick everything apart jump on, I'd like to say that OBVIOUSLY, it may not be ideal to be able to get a peek at the puppies fecal matter etc etc.. but these things give you ideas of what to look for based off common sense http://qtpawzpoodles.tripod.com/healthypuppy.html
and I believe it was joce that posted this before
--How knowledgeable is the breeder about this particular breed? Are they familiar with its historical origins? Can they educate you about the breeds disadvantages - especially genetic predisposition to health problems and characteristics like shedding, slobber, dominance, inter-dog aggression, etc. that may make owning the breed a challenge? Beware of anyone who sounds like a salesman and tells you that their breed has no disadvantages! Good breeders will play devil's advocate.
--Are the breeder's dogs screened for genetic health defects like hip dysplasia, eye disorders, hypothyroidism, Von Willebrand's disease, epilepsy, cardiac conditions, and anything else that is common in the breed? Can they provide you with proof, e.g., CERF and OFA certification and other relevant veterinary documentation? A good breeder will welcome your concern and be glad to offer the requested information - beware of anyone who is defensive! An excellent breeder will candidly discuss the health of their line of dogs, including the problems that have cropped up. Even good breeders can produce unhealthy dogs on occasion. The difference is that the good breeder is on a mission to find and remove those genetic influences from their breeding lines. The irresponsible breeder approaches health in a haphazard manner.
--Does the breeder have any old dogs on the premises? How long have their own dogs lived, and from what have they died? Beware of the person who sells off their adult dogs that are retired from showing and breeding. You want a breeder who loves the breed, not someone who loves to breed.
--How many breeds is this person breeding? Ideally, someone will have a special interest in only one breed (perhaps two). A Jack-of-all-Breeds truly is a master of none. How many litters does the breeder have in any given year? A good breeder may breed one or two litters, or may not breed at all for a year or more between litters. More is never better. Anyone who is producing a large number of dogs is probably doing it at the expense of quality.
--Are the breeder's dogs kennel dogs or house pets? While it is sanitary to keep large numbers of dogs outside in a kennel, you want a breeder who keeps their dogs in the house with the family. Breeders who keep their dogs in kennels may have temperament defects (like excessive dominance) of which they are not even aware. Puppies should be raised inside an active home to begin socializing them to a household environment.
--Will the breeder provide you with the names of their veterinarian and several past purchasers to serve as references? If given a choice, request pet references. Certainly a professional trainer will be able to handle a tough puppy, but what about a family with three kids and a cat? If the latter just loves the temperament of their dog, that speaks volumes. Ask the breeder about the homes that haven't worked out. There are bound to be some. Is the breeder honest that they made a poor placement, sympathetic to someone who underwent a life change that necessitated returning a dog, blunt that they produced a problem dog... or is the breeder bitter and accusatory about the person who bought the dog? Beware of the narrow-minded breeder who places blame on everyone but themselves.
--What kind of guarantees does the breeder offer? Most will offer a replacement puppy or refund of purchase price if your puppy manifests a serious genetic defect. Any responsible breeder will want to keep in touch with you and be informed if your dog develops health problems. The better ones may ask you to have your pet OFA and/or CERF screened when it is old enough (as your dog reflects on their breeding stock). Truly caring breeders will insist that you return your puppy to them if you are unable to keep it for any reason during its entire life.
--Does the breeder expect to sell you a puppy with strings attached? Concerned, responsible breeders will insist that you neuter your pet puppy as soon as it is old enough. They may have you sign a contract to this effect, or they may sell the puppy with limited registration (which means that if you do breed it, you cannot register the offspring). Remarkable breeders will pediatrically neuter puppies before sending them off to their new homes. This is a very good sign in a breeder, so much so that I would be suspicious of any breeder who does not insist on neutering.
--On the other hand, beware of any breeder who tries to sucker you into a breeding contract. They will treat you like you're stupid by flattering you and trying to con you into agreeing to keep your pet intact and breeding one or more litters, giving the breeder back one or more puppies from each litter. This is the biggest scam around. You get stuck with the expense and inconvenience (not to mention health risks) of keeping an intact animal and then providing the breeder with free puppies. If a breeder tries to talk you into this kind of pyramid scheme, find another breeder.
--At what age does the breeder send puppies to their new homes? Avoid any breeder who wants to send home a puppy younger than seven weeks. Many good breeders will release puppies at 8 weeks, but as long as the puppy is being actively socialized, it is arguably better to wait until 10 or 12 weeks.
--What does the breeder do to socialize their puppies? Ask them for specifics. Good breeders will have lots of toys and activities to which to expose their puppies. Mild stress is excellent for making puppies resilient later in life. A breeder who allows their puppies to experience different sounds, surfaces, etc. and meet different people is trying hard. A breeder who keeps their puppies in some sort of ultra-sanitary, almost sterile vacuum is doing the puppies a great disservice. Puppies raised in a kennel should be avoided.
--A good breeder will be very interested in who you are and somewhat choosy about whether you are able to provide an adequate home for one of their cherished pups. A breeder who wants to see your home, your kids, your spouse, your other pets, proof of your fencing, or talk to your veterinarian is simply trying to make sure that you will take good care of their pup. Do not resent this. Good breeders want to keep in touch with you after you've purchased a puppy and will be there for you with support and advice later on. Avoid breeders who take credit card orders over the Internet and ship puppies to anyone who wants them. NO responsible breeder will sell a puppy to a pet store or other broker for resale.
--A good breeder will participate in breed rescue efforts for the breed they love. This is important. Anyone who scoffs at breed rescue or is not personally involved in it in any way is someone to be avoided. Often the best place to begin your search for a good breeder is to ask breed rescue volunteers for their recommendations.
--Good breeders think ahead and make reservations in advance for the puppies they will produce. You may have to wait for a puppy, but that's not a bad thing. Beware of someone who first creates puppies and then worries about how to disperse them.
--What does the breeder do for a living? Dog breeding should be an avocation. Avoid anyone who makes their living through breeding dogs! The corners they cut financially may be at your expense.
--Are the premises clean and orderly? Are the breeder’s dogs healthy in appearance? It can be a messy proposition to raise a litter of puppies, but puppies should not be wallowing in waste, covered with fleas, or otherwise appear neglected. Keep in mind that many long haired bitches will shed their coats heavily during this time, so if the puppies’ mother appears a little ratty it is not necessarily inappropriate or unusual.
--Do you like the temperaments of the puppies' parents? Remember, temperament is genetic! Avoid puppies from bitches that demonstrate any aggression or shyness. Specifically inquire about possessiveness (food and object guarding), inter-dog aggression, defensiveness about being handled, etc. Accept no excuses for undesirable behavior. Don't be afraid to ask the breeder to demonstrate the *****'s good temperament to you.
--Has the breeder or will the breeder allow you to temperament test the litter? While puppy-testing is not especially predictive of adult temperament, it’s an attempt to gauge a puppy’s personality so that it can be best matched with a new owner. Ask the breeder's permission before doing anything to a puppy. No potential buyer has the right to do anything to a puppy which a breeder perceives as potentially harmful.
--Does your breeder respect veterinarians, trainers, groomers, breeders, and other peer professionals in the dog world? Beware of breeders who are paranoid or hostile towards other professionals. One cannot operate competently in a vacuum, and in general, good breeders are socially well-networked. They are liked, like others, and respect competent professionals in their field. A good breeder should make the effort the know other good breeders (especially of their own breed). It is important for a breeder to strive to improve their knowledge and understanding of their breed and submit to peer critique, even if it is not necessarily formalized (as in the show ring). http://www.kateconnick.com/library/breeder.html
Trust me all of those things went threw my head and i knew i wasnt going to get a pup. I really didnt want a new pup. If i got every pup i seen and felt sorry for i would have a house full. I know everything i went threw with daisy and still go threw. It was a nightmare and i still worry about her health. Daisy is a maltese and bichon mix- shes so pretty one of the prettest dogs ive ever seen, she smiles all the time and it just warms my heart that she did make it threw all the sickness in the beginning, which i didnt think she would many days when i was taking her to the vets office every week.
When i do get a yorkie i will do my reserch and find the right breeder and ask the important questions and make sure that this pup is healthy. But i dont for see us getting anther puppy for a good year or two. I enjoy my 2 dogs i have now and they need alittle more training before adding anther to the mix..lol
And no Daisy doesnt have tear stains- I know what tear stains are - i forgot what the vet called it but when i got her she had green discharge in her one eye and it was smaller then the other one, the vet said that most times it would open the rest of the way but her vison wasnt impacted at all by this, since her eye is the same size as the other one , she just has black and white pigment around her one eye lid that really stands out, but shes still a beautiful dog. The hole pooping and peeing thing was ment that i was happy i came to my senses and didnt get a puppy and then wake up to having to house train a puppy all over again- Which i house trained 2 puppies the same time. which i did alright i might add for a first timer dog owner. yes i had problems but finially got it corrected and got daisy back on track. She was harder to house train then Bentley was. Bentley is a toy poodle and bichon mix and is 1 and almost 1/2 years old- and Daisy again is a maltese and bichon and is 9months old- Ive had Bentley since he was 7 weeks old and Daisy when she was 12 weeks old-
Quite honestly these people really piss me off. Every weekend there's someone sitting in a hot parking lot or on a corner somewhere selling puppies. The Mother dog is tired and stressed with people handling her pups. These people will do whatever it takes to get rid of these pups whether it's trading for a set of tires or crack cocaine. They usually have no regards to where these little pups go or if they'll be cared for. Nine times out of ten it's pitbull puppies being sold. I think there should be a law against selling animals on corners.
A couple of weeks ago these clueless people had a table set up in a parking lot with a big sign that said, "Baby Turtles 4 Sale." Needless to say the police were there and someone was going to have a big fat fine and all their turtles taken away.
Good thing you have some restraint. I think you'd be overwhelmed with another puppy. You have enough problems with Daisy right now and don't need to add another to the mix. I'm sure it was very hard, but not knowing the "background" of the breeders, it was good you didn't go with heart and listened to your gut.
I'm really glad you didn't take one of those puppies. Your husband said the price was good for a lhasa apso, but honestly, you get what you pay for. If the price is too good to be true, it is too good to be true. At the least these people were backyard breeders. I know this because they were selling them in a parking lot and didn't care where they were going, selling them so cheap, and were trying to get rid of the parents too because they were going to quit breeding. I think you are starting to learn the consequences of buying from backyard breeders and puppymills. After all the problems that Daisy has had, I would never buy from anything less than a show breeder with tested lines and health guarantees. Buying an animal should never be spur of the moment...you shouldn't have to debate in your mind whether or not you should get it...you should KNOW that it's right to get one. This is why I hate people selling dogs out of parking lots. The people that buy them haven't thought about getting a puppy..they haven't done their research. They see these cute puppies and decide to get it right then and then normally regret the decision later, and the poor puppy suffers from it. I saw pittbull puppies being sold on the side of a busy highway yesterday - so sad. Sad to think of the terrible people that are most likely going to buy them because of the breed they are. Please don't forget what you've gone through with Daisy just because it's starting to become the distant past now...remember all the health issues she has had and is likely to have in the future because of the place you got her from. When you are ready for a 3rd dog, do your research, and find a great breeder.
BTW - do you live in Texas? There is going to be a big dog show in Houston July 19-22. Just FYI in case you start wanting a new puppy and need to find some great breeders. Dog shows are a great place to find breeders
My husband and I were in the same position you were in back in February 2006. The only difference - we bought him. He was a 3 month old German Shepherd. Cute, cuddly, a typical puppy. However, 6 months after we got him, we noticed his hip bone popping and took him to our vet. Turns out he had a horrible case of hip dysplasia. He need a Total Hip Replacement costing $4000.00. We couldn't afford this. He progressively got worse to the point he would stand up and walk and after everything, we had to put him down since the pain meds weren't really helping him. It was horrible and we cried for days. Even now, to talk about him brings me to tears almost a year later. The point of the story is, you made a good decision. With those people, you don't know what your buying. Sure, the puppy could be healthy and end up living all the years it should. However, it is far better to do some research - buy from a reputable breeder that can supply you with medical information about the parents and about the puppies. Puppies that have been examined from a reputable vet. Though the few healthy months we had with are dog were great and he brought light to our lives, the end result is just not worth it.