I bought a english bulldog and got scammed sent a western union,yes thats why my name is stupid on here.Ripped off by harry * , moreno *,*dogs.com found the puppy on puppyfind.com reported it to puppyfind.com,said they had taken them off on the 12 for fraudelent,but I seen the puppy on the 17 and bought him.what gives.1300.00 and then he kept emailing me wanting more then told me my puppy was dead and put my name on the website *ldogs.com beside travis picture sold to Teri He has a crew working with him from all over.
***Edited By: pyrmom on 7/1/2007 7:34:59 AM*** Reason: please do not provide kennel or individuals full names on the forum.
If I where you I would gather all the information, papers, emails, copy of money sent, etc. and file a small claims court action against them. This can be done by calling the register of deeds at your court house. (the place you get your licence plates, at least where I live).
They will give you a form to fill out and then they(defendant) will have to file an answer, once that is done the judge will review and rule. If you win the courts will make them pay. If they do not pay you can pay the sheriff's office 5 bucks to take their car or any propriety they have in the name your are suing. So if you are suing golden kennels, then anything that golden kennels own will be subject to be taken. Unless the bank owned everything.
Now with that being said, DO NOT BUY A PUPPY OFF THE INTERNET! Go to the breeders and meet the puppies, the puppy's mom and dad. See if they are good breeders or puppy mill and byb junk.
That is horrible and I would definitely pursue a claim in court against them. Although, I have to disagree about buying a puppy on the internet. I have 5 boxers, all of which I bought through puppyfind. I researched the breeder, asked for references, and kept a paper trail of every transaction "just in case". One thing I did make sure of is that they were available if I did want to travel to them to see or pick up the puppy. We did this on one occasion. I did not have a single problem with any of the breeders I went through, as a matter of fact, I am still in touch with the breeders and it has been 3 years since I purchased my first. I now have a little of puppies for sale online,and it is not my first that I have listed on Puppyfind as a matter of fact. I am upfront, honest, and if someone wants to come to my house to visit or to pick up their puppy, I welcome them. It's ok to buy puppies online, just do your homework. That way you know you are not only getting a good puppy, but you are working with a reputable breeder and not a puppy mill. It may take a little extra time but it's worth it. You can go through local BBB or AKC to see if there have ever been any complaints registered. It's worth it in the long run. Don't give up - go after them. Do like you did on here - go to as many puppy sites as possible and get the word out about them, it makes the rest of us look bad. Good luck to you and hope you find the puppy you are looking for, from someone who is not a scammer.
Wiley, there are those of us that have no other option other than internet. Where we live , there are just no French Bulldogs. When we got Rocky, our first Frenchie, he was the first French Bulldog our vet clinic had ever had. We ony had two reputable breeders in our state that sold pups, and both had a two year waiting list. Driving to another state to pick up a pup was not an option either , as hubby and i are both on disability. What do you do ? we started researching breeders online. All three of our frenchies were found on puppyfind. Rocky's sire came out of one of the top Frenchie show/breeders. Tiger Lilys sire is a UKC (united) club champion. He is dual AKC/UKC. Tiger is only AKC right now, but has the option of being dual also. There are scammers everywhere. We have to do our research when searching for a pup, wether it be online or anywhere. Sometimes even going to visit a so called breeder, is no guarentee. There are many brokers selling pups out of their home and advertising the pups as "raised in our home with our children and blah blah blah". Ulness you personally know the breeder, there is no guarentee on anything. With us, having never even seen a Frenchie in person, we sure didnt know any breeders or even where to begin our search. We did alot of reading, phone calling, reference checking, and whatever we could to check out the breeders before we ever sent a dime. We had been in contact with the breeder that we got Annie from for a couple of months before we decided to buy a pup from her. Quinn even called her in Russia. Annie is almost two years old and we still keep in contact with her and have become good friends.
If you are a dog and your owner suggests that you wear a sweater, suggest that he wear a tail.
I still would never go on puppyfind, my search online strictly stays with akc, or actually, a breed club. I'll look on pets4 you, there are some decent ones on there, but I've never bought off of there either. I don't agree with the accusation everyone online is a byb or horrible breeder, because some of the best breeders DO have websites. You just have to know what to look for if you want a good quality dog.
I advertise my pups on this site. I also invite potential buyers to come see my dogs. I have sold 4 that people came from several states away to see the pups, parents etc.. If it sounds to good to be true, don't believe it. I hope you are able to get your money back from this rip. Not all people that advertise on the internet are out to rip someone off. You need to be careful though, just as the seller needs to be, as their are people out there trying to rip them off also.
Never send money through western union. Use pay pal
I sold a puppy to a lady several years ago that was scammed. She sent money for a puppy she found online across country and first the puppy was too young to ship, then it was sick, then the mother killed it...The story went on and on...She told me that she filed charges and because money changed hands across state lines it became a federal crime.
I do not agree that all breeders that advertise online are bad breeders, I just think you have to be careful and do all your homework before you send money to anyone...Good luck to you...
Wiley, I would be one of those who advertised my puppies online. I didn't have my puppies spoken for before the breeding my 1st and only litter out of Angel & beau.
Yes, SOME buyers came to my home, free to inspect it and met both Angel & Beau, along with being provided a 7 generation pedigree before any pup was spoken for. All were kept informed & updated via e-mail, photos and video clips. They were provided with MY breeder's contact information, vet references and contact information in addition to a wonderful guarantee and constant, around the clock contact with me.
This breeding was an unplanned one (about a year and a half before the PLANNED breeding between this pair). NO, my dogs were NOT OFA, shown or CH. though they DID come from very long, well established lines who were. The reason for the lack of OFA was the fact that, Beau took the opportunity of a moment's carelessness (yes, guilty as charged) and did the deed when he was all of 10 months old.
Angel (who was purchased online after a running communication with the breeder for was over 8 months) was 2, so was ready to be tested when Beau moved the schedule up on us.
Was I totally STUPID to simply accept the breeder's word that he wouldn't mature sexually until 2? you bet! Did I trust his evident disinterest far too much? ABSOLUTELY! Would I have MUCH preferred to wait? No doubt about it. However, we did produce 10 beautiful, healthy pups who were judged by experienced breeders of CH Pyrs (3 to be exact) and an AKC judge before any were sold to prospective new homes. It goes without saying that ALL of them (parents and pups) had excellent vet care, with documentation provided to the pups new owners.
Bottom line is this, not everyone who sells their pups online are scam artists or puppymills. I'll take the hit for BYB (bedroom in fact), but I was open, honest and very clear about my dogs to all who were interested in them.
Buying a puppy online is dangerous for those who jump without FULLY checking out the seller beforehand. You wouldn't make any other major purchase online with checking out the seller in advance, why be any less careful when it comes to your new family member?
It is the responsibility of BOTH buyer and seller to know who it is they are dealing with before money, hopes and puppy change hands.
To the OP, I am sorry this happened to you and would suggest you contact the FBI's internet fraud division. They really DO help.
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
I too have sold puppies via the internet. That is how I was contacted by breeders in Finland and Sweden. Not all puppy sales via the internet are scams. You just have to be really careful. I think you need more than email contact for the transaction to take place. You really need to be getting on the phone and talking to the breeder. You can always get a better feel for a person, by talking to them instead of just reading words on a screen. Thank goodness both the woman from Finland and Sweden spoke English. LOL
He's your friend,your partner,your defender your dog.You are his life,his love,his leader. He will be yours faithful and true to the last beat of his heart.You owe it to him to worthy of such devotion
I'm so sorry that you were ripped off, but also do not think buying the dog from the internet was the main problem. I am a breeder, and I also have a website, in which I display my 'available' babies. The main lesson to be learned here is that you never buy a dog without ideally first inspecting the home it came from, meet the parents, do your research about the breeder, (and the breed) and never part with a cent until you're satisfied that all health testing has been done etc. etc. If it's not physically possible because of distance,then that breeder should be able to provide references,and they should be carefully checked. Many of us do sell our puppies by word of mouth, through the breeder/show grapevine; but there are still lots of hoops for people to jump through before I will sell them one of my dogs. Always be suspicious of a so-called breeder who does'nt want you to fill out an application, and make an attempt to meet you, or failing that talk numerous times on the phone, and who wants you to just send the money. Did this guy ask you to fill out an application, and did he ask for references from you? I wish you luck in getting your money back.
I agree it's important to remind everyone to be cautious, to the extreme, when purchasing a pup off the internet, but not everyone who advertises is out to rip you off. I could have sold my litter several times over in the past few years, by word of mouth. I receive calls and e-mails at least once a week from people who want a pup just like so and so's (one of the litter).
I thank them for their interest and patiently explain there ARE no more pups, will NEVER be, then refer them to one or two excellent breeders I know.
Even if I hadn't lost Angel, I had her spayed after the litter. I would NEVER have put her though that again. She mourned so with the loss of each pup as it went to it's new home. Beau had the big snip and Arwen is also spayed. Ubs is the only one intact and he will not be bred, but will be neutered soon. Nope, no more pups for this household!
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
I found my mastiff on the internet. He is almost 3 now, perfectly healthy and very smart. I would have never found him if not for the internet. My breeder offered references that I checked out before any money was exchanged.
although much of my pups are adopted by referral, I assure you I am on the internet too. To say not to buy over the net is not fair to those of us who are up front and honest. I feel horrible for the person that got scammed but not everyone on the net is a scammer.