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HeatherFeather
Posted: 10:33:17 PM 7/18/2007
Oooohhhh! So you're looking to screw over the 15 year old because she's 15? That's so LOW! In my book, that's stealing. And from a 15 year old? Laws like these are made to protect MINORS, but you found a loophole, and are trying to take advantage of it for your own benefit, meanwhile teaching a kid to not trust adults? How do you sleep at night? That's just sick of you. But, Karma's a BITCH!
Even if you are on the right track, you will still get run over if you just sit there. (Will Rogers)
Posted: 11:06:53 PM 7/18/2007
HeatherFeather is right. She may have been less then honest, but that doesn't mean you should not pay the rest of the money. Legally you do not have to, but you are a grown up. Do the right thing, learn from your mistake, and try to be more thorough the next time you decide to purchase a dog.
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Pen2
Posted: 11:08:17 PM 7/18/2007
BlueDixie, It's obvious that your definition of a BYB and mine are completely different. When you begin your statements with the words 'Regardless of what you're selling...' and 'If the lower priced product invades the market.....' that leaves me with a negative impression because the particular 'product' you're referring to is in fact a live animal, and in my case the dogs that I love and breed.
As for not being able to sell my puppies because of good old 'BYB Joe', thankfully, the people who have done their research know full well the risks involved with dealing with such people, and I don't even have to advertise my puppies, I also have repeat buyers. I would think that the problems encountered by the OP. DolphinLover, would be a good enough illustration of such risks. Not only was the dog 4 months old, it was worm, flea and tick infested, and the woman was told after the fact that the dog also suffered a broken leg. I'm not sure what you are referring
to when you say value added selling, but I'm sure it's not much of a compliment;so I think we will agree to disagree.
BlueDixie
Posted: 8:10:45 AM 7/19/2007
Pen- OMG...you are just looking for a reason to dislike what I say.

"Regardless of what you sell". What in the world is negative about that? Get off your sanctimonious high horse. The fact is you exchange your puppies for cold hard cash. That does not make you a bad person.

Ewww.. I don't like that word "invade"... "invade" makes me think of conquerring and I'm just raising cute little puppies that I love and adore....

Please.....

Pen I mean you no disrespect but it is clear that you have way too many hangups about the common english language. A word is just that... a word. Depending how it's used it can be negative or it can merely be proper.

If I had used the term introduced instead of invades it wouldn't have conveyed the idea that a lower price is actually unwanted.
The only purpose of life is the very moment you currently occupy. Dogs get this....
BlueDixie
Posted: 8:20:29 AM 7/19/2007
No Savannah... by definition a BYB is a breeder breeding in their back yard. A term depicting the location of breeding and not the practices of said breeders.

You allow the term hobby breeder but in no way does that term depict location.

I'm not saying that in general those who are causally breeding in their back yard aren't irresponsible... what I'm saying is that the term BYB is calculated to imply that ALL breeders breeding in their back yard are irresponsible.

You yourself will admit that isn't true and use the term hobbyist. But that doesn't remove the implication from the term BYB and that was my whole point.

I understand who and what you mean when you refer to a BYB. But to a casual reader they automatically assume that the legitimate hobbyist breeder must also be irresponsible.

Which goes to my original point. The professional resents the hobbyist too.

The only purpose of life is the very moment you currently occupy. Dogs get this....
savannah
Posted: 9:39:46 AM 7/19/2007
Sorry bluedixie, on this one, you are 100% WRONG. Location of back yard has nothing to do with anything. Good Grief (once again charlie brown) IF I do a breeding in my back yard am I a back yard breeder? lmaooooooooooooooooooooooo THAT IS FUNNY. Oh, I do my collections/AI's in my grooming room so I'm GROOMING ROOM BREEDER.

Based on your comment, you just created a new type of breeder "GROOMING ROOM BREEDER" and that would be me. So you can just call me GRB LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

get a grip, the back yard of a home or facility has NOTHING to do with breeder. That's simply property, where the physical act takes place, NOTHING to do with responsible breeding YIKES
Pen2
Posted: 11:03:57 AM 7/19/2007
Blue Dixie, actually yes, you do mean disrespect when you tell me to get off my sanctimonious high horse.Or maybe I'm misunderstanding your use of the word sanctimonious, am I? I have a pretty good command of the English language, and don't need to look for 'words' to dislike.
There's no mistaking your sarcastic tone in your last posting,and I certainly don't need you to interpret that, nor the words you use. You can try to justify the existance of BYB's, bad breeding practices and the opinion that legitimate breeders like myself, are in fact, in it for the money, till you're blue in the face.
You obviously don't know any reputable breeders; or you would'nt dream of making the remarks that you have made.
Posted: 11:05:23 AM 7/19/2007
Heather Feather and Leo022105-I am not trying to screw anybody over or looking for a loophole.I was told the dog had papers which she does not I have been lied to from the begining.No I am not trying to learn this kid a lesson.But when a kid goes out and commits a crime don;t they pay for it.So what makes her any differnet.She called me I did not call her.Call it what u want.I do get sleep at night cause I did nothing wrong.I paid like I said and if she send the papers as stated then I will send the rest of the money.quit being so quick to judge someone when u do not know a thing about them.I am through with this post I had somevery good advice about what to do and the police dept is on our side weather we screw the child as yall call it then what ever.She should have not lied.She needs to have a hard lesson learned to.since yall want to put all the fault on me as I did not know the child was 15 till 4 days later when we called telling she was a sick dog and we wanted to bring the dog back and drop it all and the rude women said she was not giveing us nothing.So that said let it go.
Posted: 12:07:44 PM 7/19/2007
Whoa drama queen, chill out. I don't think anything in my post was judging or belittling to you. Don't get your knickers in a wad. I was giving my opinion, which is what the beauty of an open forum provides.
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janders894
Posted: 12:26:12 PM 7/19/2007
Dolphin, that was the first time I heard you say the dog was sick. If that is the case, depending on what state you live in, you can sue the mother. Parents are held legally responsible for their children in many states. If you have a contract, as you say you do, you were given a time limit to take the dog to the vet. As long as you upheld your end of that contract, you may very well have legal rights to take parents to court.
That being said, if the pup is in fact not sick, and you are having buyers remorse and looking for a reason not to pay in full, then shame on you.
Two errors occurred here. You should have never been allowed to take the dog without paying for it in full. (their error) And you should have not picked up a puppy from people you don't know. A dog is not a temporary accessory, but is a member of your family entrusted to your care for a very long time.
It was careless of you to rush in to this with blinders on.
savannah
Posted: 12:31:43 PM 7/19/2007
oh let this go....

I do believe it's PANTIES in a wad

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry I couldnt stand not typing that LOLOL
Pen2
Posted: 1:17:01 PM 7/19/2007
Savannah, since it's common knowledge that you are classified as a 'Grooming Room Breeder'; instead of the universally recognized 'Back Yard Breeder', I would keep my knicker twisting and/or panty wadding advice to myself. If you happen to upgrade to 'Master Bedroom With Walk-In Closet Breeder', then maybe you could consider yourself
qualified to hand out such advice.
BlueDixie
Posted: 1:27:20 PM 7/19/2007
"get a grip, the back yard of a home or facility has NOTHING to do with breeder. That's simply property, where the physical act takes place, NOTHING to do with responsible breeding YIKES" <~~exactly what I said Savannah so why use the term? You just argued my point beautifully.

The only purpose of life is the very moment you currently occupy. Dogs get this....
BlueDixie
Posted: 1:32:13 PM 7/19/2007
amazing... you are actually saying how ridiculous
"grooming room" breeder is while justifying the use of "back yard" breeder.....

wow... that's an interesting twist.
The only purpose of life is the very moment you currently occupy. Dogs get this....
savannah
Posted: 1:45:14 PM 7/19/2007
sorry blue, you just dont make sense.

Puppy Mills, "millers" we all know what that denotes. and..

people who breed totally irresponsibily be it in a house with a yard, condo, wherever, known as "back yard breeders"

that's the essence of what I am saying. BYB denotes irresponsible breeding and has nothing to do with location on property which is what YOU said it did. Breeding can take place in a mansion, house with yard, house with no yard, condo, apartment WHEREVER..... it's a backyard breeder if they do it irresponsibly

Nothing more, no need to continue :-)
lpn169
Posted: 1:50:05 PM 7/19/2007
The off topic area of the thread is getting ridiculous....someone who seriously believes that 'backyard breeder' is used to refer to where the breedings take place really has something to learn, or to hide....wow.
I guess I am a bathroom breeder, side yard breeder, bedroom breeder, wow even a vets office breeder (AI).



Original topic....Yes, it certainly does look as though you are looking to get something for nothing! The fact that she is 15, well, yes her parents should have been co-signers on the contract.
Plain and simple...YOU are the adult here...you knew what you were signing, you knew what she was guaranteeing or not, you KNEW when you took the dog that you had to pay it off to get the papers.

It is indeed common practice to hold papers in payment situations...AKC will not fault the breeder for doing that at all, it is generally done in the form of a contract stating the terms, if you sign it, it is binding.
You pay the dog off, if you dont get the papers then,,,you have a statement from her stating the dog is registered, you then have the right once the dog is paid and no papers are produced to go after her legally in which the parents should be held acountable.
If the dog is sick and they do not take pups back....take them to small claims court. Though it sounds as though your only health issue was worms, if I read the previous thread correctly. Worms are a common issue and nothing I see as a grounds for a refund, but a pill from your vet for a few bucks and ~poof~ the worms are gone, problem solved.

Why on earth would any breeder simply hand the dog over to you not paid for in full, papers and all? So what do they have now to guarantee you will finish paying them off...nothing. You have the dog, the papers, etc.
They should have held the dog itself until it was fully paid for...that is what I do, and you are the perfect example why I do that.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
BlueDixie
Posted: 1:59:11 PM 7/19/2007
Savannah I agree with you...I'm exhausted.

I just wanted to try and get people to understand that the use of BYB puts the legitimate and accepted "Hobbyist" who is responsible in a constant defensive posture.

It would be like there being the opinion constantly voiced on this forum that if you had more than X amount of dogs you must be a Mill.

And the fact that the professional breeder refuses to be sensitive to that makes me wonder what other motivation is there for casting an air of suspicion on anyone who is breeding out of their back yard?

***Edited By: BlueDixie on 7/19/2007 3:05:44 PM***
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The only purpose of life is the very moment you currently occupy. Dogs get this....
Posted: 3:18:20 PM 7/19/2007
I AM not trying to get out of anything.I was told to send a registered letter to the lady and tell her if she sends the papers then we will send the other money.If she does not send the papers we are not apying anymore.I was told today the dog is not full blooded anyways which I was told she was.I am doing what the local police tells me to do.Weither it is to pay or not he is the law and I am doing what I was told to do.I know I have made mistakes here to we only told her we wanted to bring the dog back because she was getting rude on the phone and we did not want to argue with her.The dog had ,fleas,ticks and worms,I cannot say if she is a byb cause there was no more dogs except adults.I know the child is 15 and we should have been told are the parents should have done this not the child.U all can think what u want if she sends the papers I will pay the money I owe like stated.I am not posting anymore so think what u want.
sereneshihtzu
Posted: 3:23:37 PM 7/19/2007
Who told you she wasn't a purebred Pomeranian?
Life isn't like a box of chocolates . . it's more like a jar of jalapenos.
What you do today, might burn your rump tomorrow
Posted: 3:39:13 PM 7/19/2007
some lady that come to my house said she had a male mixed and they looked alike?oh well I still love her and plan to keep her
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