I was wondering if anyone uses Maxximum dog food. I have been using beneful, and recently was at the store compairing ingredients. I noticed the maxximum and read the ingredients. there are no animal byproducts, but in beneful there is.
Beneful is low end food. I have looked at the Maxximum brand label before, it looks almost identical to Purina ONE. Personally I have never fed the Maxximum, but it is a better food than the beneful your feeding now.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
it is not that i am trying to get by cheap by no means. we live in a small rural area and the closest pet store or pet store chain is about 2 hours from us. what we have to choose from is either wal-mart, the grocery store, or tractor supply store. any petco, petsmart, or anything like that is 2 hours away.
sorry i didn't mean to imply that it was a budget issue and by you i meant in the figurative sense. like i said .. you could do worse than maxximum. i heard that diamond is a good quality food and you can get it at the tractor supply store if you're looking to swich. again sorry to imply
if my dog could talk i'm sure he'd say "woof .. woof!!"
Tractor Supply where I live carries better foods then you listed. You may want to ask the manager there if he can get different brands for you. I do not get my food from TS, but we are in there all the time so we see the brands.
no i didn't mean that in any way to be defensive, i just wanted everyone to know what stores are my options here instead of the pet store chains...sorry if i come off that way.
i am going to try this maxximum and go from there. from what i read in the ingredients there are no animal by products. i will get the ingredients tonight and post them....and you guys can let me know. and if not, then i will just buy a different brand (at TS if need be after this bag is gone) shouldn't take long with 3 dogs on 20lbs. :-)
I would recommend looking at some of the old threads which discuss the dog food issue. It sounds as if you live in a rural setting and probably have feed mills about. Check and see what brands of food the feed mill(s) carry or can obtain and go from there. Good luck.
I like him a lot better than I like most people. To you he's a dog. TO me he's an adopted son who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these. <
Riley, I don't think it is manufactured by wal mart. there was this disclaimer at the bottom of the page you posted.
"Important Wal-Mart Disclaimer: Product information is provided by the supplier or manufacturer of the product and should not be construed as medical advice. Wal-Mart does not sponsor, recommend or endorse any third party, product, service or information provided on this site. "
I checked on the bag and no where does it say manufactured by wal mart.
Crude protein, min 22% crude fat, min 12% crude fiber, max 3.5% moisture, max 10% zinc, min 250 mg/kg selenium (Se), min .30 mg/kg vitamin a, min 15,000 IU/kg vitamin e, min 150 IU/kg glucosamine, min 350 mg/kg * taurine, min .12% *
*not recognized as an essential nutriet by the AAFCO Dog food Nutrient profile.
the other one had corn glutin in it and i would not buy it because of that.
I don't recall, I thought it was corn. Anyway you can rate it with this scale.
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Animal Digest: This is the dry by-product of rendered meat. During rendering, all usable animal parts (including fetal tissues and glandular wastes) are heated in vats and the liquid is separated from the dry meal. This meal is covered with charcoal and labeled "unfit for human consumption" before processing it into pet food. Digest can also include intestines, as well as the contents of those intestines, such as stool, bile, parasites and chemicals.
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-6 for chicken fat preserves. -3 for sorghaum (similar to corn in nutrition). -2 for added chicken fat. -1 for salt.
+5 for chicken meal? +3 for fruit. +3 for vegetables. +2 for barley. +1 for animal protien besides first one (chx meal).
I'm not sure about +5 for chicken meal but either way it's 98 or 103. I didn't subtract for the grains because they weren't "mill run" or non-specific. WileyBlaze am I doing this correctly? If I am, it's an excellent, value priced food that's readily available across the country (Wal-mart on every other corner)? Please respond.
As I recall, Maxximum is basically Diamond dog food repackaged with the walmart label. I would put it on the mid-high end grade of dog food, not as good as Innova, Chicken Soup, Canidae and the like, but still a decent quality food for the money.
I've personally fed it in the past to my dogs, with better success than I had with Canidae, ironically. My Akita's stomach could never adjust to Canidae, she always had grainy runny poop after eating it, even after 3 months of feeding there was no end in site. I fed the Maxximum like twice, and she loved the food, and had nice solid stools. At that time my other option was Solid Gold and I'm not rich enough to feed that brand of food to a 100 lb akita and a 60 lb mutt, it costs a fortune in our area.
Now a store in our area carries Chicken Soup food, we changed from Maxximum to that when we found out about the supplier. It's awesome quality for the price (a 35 lb bag costs $27.99)
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
I just want to add that if anyone is considering this food there is also a chicken and rice, but it has corn in it so it is probably not on the higher end? Does that sound right?
Be sure to get the grey bag, that is the lamb and rice and has no corn in it.
Thanks for everyones help, my dogs have been wonderful on this. i have a 80 lb weim and a 60 lb golden and it has taken so far (2 feedings a day at 2 cups a feeding) 2 weeks on a 35 lb bag. and i still have enough for about 3 days. they have not had any runs and have been very active while on this food. no problems at all.
had the vet look at the ingredients and she said it was an excellant choice for the type of dogs that i have.
***my husky is on another brand of food so that is why i didn't mention her. she won't eat anything other than purina, picky old bird***