Yung, I want to say something and I want to preface this by saying I sincerely am not trying to say (type) something that is going to come over wrong... typing is hard sometimes and can be misconstrued.
Many people here have been helping you with finding a great breed of dog for quite a while now. I think it's so wonderful you are being responsible and trying to find a breed for you. But it seems at this point as if you are looking for the "perfect" breed for you and yours. Unfortunately there is not a perfect breed. You are going to find breeds that have good qualities for you all, and then some that are not. Perhaps more then others. My breed (which we joked about because they are large and shed, opposite of what you want) in my eyes are PERFECT for me and my life style but if you think it's a "perfect" breed, well I can't say they are, not even as passionate as I am about them.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that perhaps your looking for something that is simply not possible because if there were something perfect out there, we wouldnt have the problems in all the breeds we do or the issues we always face. You can spend forever researching and getting opinions and information and you know what, it's still not going to be perfect. You, me, all of us, have to take the good with the bad and love our babies no matter what.
What fits you the best, what breed has the least amount of cons because they ALL are going to have cons. It just does not work any other way. Something I have suggested to others is stop looking at positives, look for the negatives and ask yourself,,, "can I live with this negative"??? If you keep saying NO over and over and over, perhaps it's not the right time for a doggie.
Again, all dogs have negatives, all people have negatives, but can we live with those negatives knowing the positives out weigh them. THAT is the question, IMHO
Thanks so much savannah for being honest. I completely understand what you're saying. I think i've said it before that I understand that i'm not going to find everything i'm looking for in one dog. I'm just trying to find the one that best fits more of what i'm looking for. With the few dogs that i'm really interested in i've started looking at the cons and began to decide whether or not I can live with them (like you've mentioned.) The breeds I'm currently really interested in meet many of the things I was looking for with only a few downfalls that I believe i'm willing to deal with considering they are such an over all dog. Again, I realize that my requests were really specific but I put out everything I was looking for onto the table in order to find the one that matched best. Thanks for your comment and after talking to everyone I have i've realized that i'm not going to find a "perfect" dog.. but I can still find an excellent/ extremely good one! Whatever I end up with I will love and cherish but I just want the best match for my family and for the dog!
In search of a small family dog who's good with small children, has minimal shedding, and minimal grooming....any suggestions? Let me know!
Glad you have now been able to narrow it down too, that certainly helps. I wish more people would take the time to really think about what they are looking for and seeking out information.. it's just hard because humans have a habit of looking for only the positives and forgetting about the negatives. it's the negatives we have to be able to live with... UGG, stinks doesnt it LOL (pardon the pun dont get a stinky dog LOLOLOL)
In response to the free feeding question, some dogs will pig out if allowed to free feed,; so once again, it is an individual situation, based on each dog's personality, and habits.Some dogs do well with free feeding, some do not. There are a few excellent Boston breeders in Ontario,if you look at the Boston Terrier Club of Canada website, you will see them. The application I am talking about is a very detailed questionaire about you, your family, and your past dog ownership, etc. etc. We use it partially to screen undesirables (of which there are many), and to see if the pup is going to fit your lifestyle. For example, I had a potential client who wanted a Boston puppy to keep in an automotive wrecking yard as a companion to a chained Rottweiler. Both potential owners worked full time, and both worked second jobs on weekends. Needless to say, they did'nt get one of my puppies. The testing that is so important when buying a Boston, is done by every responsible breeder. OFA stands for Orthopedic Foundation for Animals. Since Bostons can suffer from hip and leg ailments, it is important to have breeding stock OFA certified. This rules out such conditions as hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, patellar luxation and Legg Calve Perthes disease, in the sire and dam. Some dogs can definitely develop patellar luxation, for instance, from injuries, such as jumping from to great of a height. CERF stands for Canine Eye Registration, and is a screening test done for heritable eye diseases including cataracts, retinal and optic nerve degeneration, eyelid malformations, and corneal diseases. This testing should be done every year, as some conditions can crop up at any age. Ideally, a breeder will have had a CERF exam done shortly before breeding the dogs in question. A cardiac exam should also be done, and if there are white heads in the breeder's stock, Baer testing has to be done to determine any deafness. There is probably more info to give,I will be more than happy to answer your questions.
Savannah I definitely hear you! Today my family and I went out to look at pet stores (just to see if there were any breeds we hadnít considered yet, not to purchase!) and I was watching this one couple looking at a Boston Terrier pup. I felt terrible because I could tell they knew nothing about the breed and that the only reason they were going to buy the pup was because the girlfriend thought it was really cute. They have no idea what they are going to end up with once this pup grows up nor do they know if itís from a puppy mill or from a irresponsible breeder!! Itís a shame how people donít do their research, I donít understand how you wouldnít! The second puppy that was still behind the window looked really unhealthy and all I could think about was puppy mills. It was really disheartening. With getting a dog being such a HUGE commitment I donít get why people would solely base the decision on the cuteness factor!
Thank Pen2, I checked out the Boston Terrier Club of Canada website like you suggested but the only thing is that the breeders are all so far away! Changes are I wouldnít be able to ever see the pup until Iíve decided on one. Is this a safe way to pick a pup? If I never get a chance to see the dog and meet him before I pick him could that lead to problems? Also if itís like a 5 or 6 hour drive to go pick them up wonít they be really stressed out with such a long car ride? Say I have to get the pup flown in wouldnít that be super stressful and scary for them?
In regards to the application youíre saying that every good breeder should present me with a detailed questionnaire to determine whether or not I am a fit owner? What if they just asked me a series of detailed questions would that be alright too or no? From an earlier post I was given about 10 questions to ask the breeder to in a way screen them and determine whether or not they are a good responsible breeder. Could you give me a series of questions to ask the breeders I find. Also how do I approach a breeder? Do I just tell them Iím looking for a Boston Terrier and then list the questions I want them to answer? How do I go about it since Iíll probably be communicating with them mainly through emails. With the different tests that should be run on the sire and dam is there paper work that I can see as proof that they have infact had those tests done? What does it look like? If the parents are healthy does this give me a greater chance of a healthy puppy? Iím assuming it doesnít ensure a dog with no health problems but one that is less likely to have complications right? When you say ďwhite headsĒ in the breederís stock do you literally mean a Boston with a completely white head? Are they more prone to go deaf?
Merico youíre so right and actually I have been looking more into training and have been watching shows on it (i.e. Dog Whisper) since Iíve learned that training plays a HUGE part in how your dog acts and behaves!
In search of a small family dog who's good with small children, has minimal shedding, and minimal grooming....any suggestions? Let me know!
YungandUnashamed, in actual fact since there are such great distances to deal with here, you may have to do some dealing by e-mail. If you are only 5-6 hours away from a breeder, that's not to bad, actually. You could be dealing with a breeder in B.C,right? Anyway,you can do most of your initial dealings on the phone and by e-mail, and then make a trip, or 2 to actually see the place you're buying your puppy from. Most puppies aren't bothered by a car ride, and will sleep. Many breeders ship their puppies by air, and say they are perfectly ok. Your first task is to find a reputable breeder. Once you find one, many (if not all) will give references for you to check. All of my breeder friends have a written application form, but I suppose it's not compulsory. Most of us don't have that many pups; and far to many people that want them, hence the need to pick the best applications. The main thing to guard against is a breeder who is'nt interested at all in you, but just want to know how fast you can get the money to them. I'm using the term 'breeder' loosely here. Once you find a breeder with a litter, you just e-mail them, or call them, and state your interest in a Boston terrier pet puppy. Make sure the parents are registered with the CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) or AKC, (American Kennel Club). Ask if the parents are finished champions. Ask if the parents are available to be seen. If they are not, ask why. If the bitch was sent out to stud, or AI'd ask about the stud's owner, etc. Ask if the parents have OFA and CERF certifications. These are both certificates that can be easily verified. If these are not available, DO NOT buy the puppy. Ask what health guarantee the breeder offers. In my case, I sell my puppies under the agreement that they are checked out by my vet, have their first set of immunizations, wormed, and micro-chipped and I insist that the new owners take the puppy to their own vet for a thorough examination within 72 hours of the purchase date. I guarantee juvenile cataracts and juvenile seizures, and if the puppy should develop either condition in the first year of life, I offer a refund of the purchase price. I also stipulate that the puppy will not be sold, if the family cicumstances change, and the dog will be returned to me. Make sure the puppy is 8 weeks of age, or older. Ask what immunizations and worming treatment the puppy has received. Ask if the puppy is to be spayed or neutered at the appropriate age, this should be in the breeder's sale contract. Just about everyone is micro-chipping their dogs now; so if you'd prefer your puppy be tattoed, you will have to specify this early on in your discussions with the breeder. I mentioned the white heads because no reputable breeder will breed a Boston with a white, or even 1/2 white head. That does not mean that puppies are not produced with a lot of white on their heads, from parents with perfect markings. It also does not mean that a puppy with a lot of white is not a good pet. If you happen to fall in love with such a puppy, it must be BAER tested to see if it is deaf, or partially deaf. If you look on my avatar, you will see my son's favourite dog, called Spud. Both of his parents are knockouts, and he is a wonderful dog. He also has perfect hearing. If you run across a 'breeder' who tries to tell you that he has special exotic coloured Bostons, walk away. You asked if the testing of the parents was an assurance that the puppy would be healthy. It is not a guarantee, but it's a very good indication of the pup's future health. Lastly, if you get a gut feeling that something is wrong, listen to it, because you're probably right. If you go to the breeder's kennel, and you feel that something is not right, it very likely is'nt. I know that might sound a bit vague, but do not feel pressured to buy a pup unless you're 100% satisfied with the breeder. Your next task is to read every available information you can find about the breed. If I've forgotten anything, please ask me, because now I'm cross-eyed!
Are you determined to get a purebred dog, if not, I'd go to your local rescue shelther. The very best dog I had was a boxer/great dane and we got him from the shelter. He was awesome with the kids ( I had a 3 or 4 month old at the time). When my sister came over one day before he had ever met her, she went over and picked up my daughter without introducing her to the dog. He sat between my daughter and my sister and just raised his heckles, but that got the message across! I know that you didn't need that story, but that's okay. lol. Anyway, I've had more luck with mix breeds than my purebred boxer. She's had nothing but health problems to date. Good luck, Dmhill
Dmhill in the past my family has always bought mixed breeds and this time around after doing a bunch of research I was told that purebreds have less health problems than mixed breeds because when you begin mixing the pup can have any of the health issues either one of his parents did. Nevertheless, I have been looking at my local humane society however itís difficult to find small dogs there. I was told the smaller breeds usually get bought quickly. Thanks for the suggestion though!
Can anyone confirm whether a purebred is generally healthier than a mix? Iíve read yes and no, and have been told that they are. Once again, conflicting information!
Thanks Pen I really appreciate all your help! Iím glad there are so many signs to look to weed out bad/irresponsible breeders but it still a scary process! When you say finished champions do you mean that if they were show dogs they are retired now? Thanks for all the great questions you gave me to ask as well, thatís really helpful! I have found a couple breeders who live near me. If you wouldnít mind could you take a look at these two breeder websites and let me know if anything doesnít look right?
Both breed Frenchies and Bostons. From what I read on the two sites I thought the hornerbrook kennel looked like the better of the two, however I have yet to get directly in touch with the breeders. Eventhough Iím not looking to purchase a puppy for at least 3 or 4 months is it wise to get in touch with breeders this early? Also is there a gender preference for Bostons and would they be able to run with me or is that too stressful on them/hard for them to breath with that much exercise? (sorry if I already asked you that)
I know I have more questions but I canít think of anything else at the time, this was great information you gave though! Again, thanks for your help Pen2! I hope your eyes are uncrossed now!
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In regards to whether a pure-bred is healthier then a mix/mutt or vice versa, is all depending on the breeder you choose to buy from. If you are as picky about the breeder as you are about which breed you're going to eventually get and find one (breeder) that has had all of the health tests done to their dogs that should be done for that specific breed, it will definately increase the chances that your pure-bred pup will more then likely be healthy. When talking about non-pure-bred dogs being healthier, it's a matter of chance. Don't fall for the "hybrid-vigor" BS that mix-breed "breeders" try to use as a sale point. Most mix-breed "breeders", don't OFA, CERF, etc. their dogs prior to breeding them (because these tests cost a breeder money, and these people are breeding their dogs to make money, not spend it!). Mix-breed "breeders" can't guarantee you the health of a puppy (and if they do, it's probably a guarantee that replaces the sick puppy, with a less-sick puppy!). Furthermore, they can't even begin to tell you what kind of temperment the puppy might have, or if the pup is going to be a non-shedder, need professional grooming, whether the "breed" is generally good with kids, etc, etc. I'm of the opinion that once you settle on a specific breed, and find a really, REALLY good BREEDER your search is over. Make sure to specify that you're looking for a pet, one that will fit in well with your family dynamic, and make sure to mention all that stuff you're hoping to do with the pup once they're an adult...and leave the choice of the puppy up to the breeder....good BREEDERS know each pup's personality, and will be able to sell you a puppy that will fit into your family as close to perfectly as you could hope for! And remember, being on a wait list for a pup from a REALLY good BREEDER, is a whole hell of a lot better then waiting in line at the emergency vet with your poorly-bred sick puppy!!
Yung, both sets of dogs are nice , however, ******* has some knockouts, I would go for them if I were you. Be prepared for a wait. The babies from the other one were beautiful as well. Very nice, and I'm sure you will have some good luck with either. Finished champion means that the parents were both shown, champions, and bred. And Savannah, SHADDUP!!
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Sorry Yung, my feeble brain can't quite keep up. There really is no gender preference, I personally find the males to be more affectionate, and big sloppy babies. My husband is drawn to a female, as his favourite. How far do you run, on average? If I were you, I'd e-mail the breeder now. As I think I've mentioned before, many breeders have waiting lists.
Doggy thanks for clearing that up! I totally agree with you but just wanted to make sure since I had read conflicting information. The reason mixes arenít predictable is the reason Iíd prefer a purebred. At least for the most part you have a pretty accurate idea of what the pup will be like! Finding a good breeder is my worry though! There is so much pressure because you want a great dog from a great breeder! Again, thanks for your post that definitely put things into perspective!
Pen2, when you say knockouts what does that mean? I am definitely happy and wanting a wait that way it will give us time of to get properly prepared to welcome the pup into a home that is ready and waiting for him. I wouldnít want to be rushed to set up and get things ready and in place for him! Can I ask why itís beneficial to find finished champions? Is it because they are obviously sound dogs? Why should they be finished though is it not good to find dogs who are still being shown? I was reading a little more on the breed and apparently they snore and have BAD gas lol is there any way to avoid that and from your experience is their snoring really loud? On average for my person runs that the dog would be coming for I probably do about 1-2k. This will increase with time but how long do you think they would be able to go for. I would just plan my longer runs when Iím not taking him along! I will probably try to get in touch with that breeder this week and begin asking some questions. This is so exciting!
Yung, one way to prove your dogs are breeding material is to show them, and get their championship. The dogs at the one site are all finished.( did'nt check the other one as closely). Yes, Bostons snore, as most brachycephalic dogs do. I find it cute, not everyone would. It's not loud, like my husband, for instance. That guy could wake the dead. I sleep with 4-8 dogs every night, and they don't keep mawake! As for the gas, yes they tend to be gassy. I believe the food you feed them has a lot to do with it, but once again I find it cute. You might have guessed by now, that I love this breed, and don't care about any of their foibles. I find any of what some people call annoying faults, not annoying at all, as the good far outweighs the bad. Unless you have a Boston you can't quite appreciate this! By knockouts, I meant that they are gorgeous dogs, beautiful.
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Ohhh okay I got you now! The site that you said was finished is the one you recommended right? The ******** one? Just clarifying. I too think the snoring is adorable! I was watching youtube videos of it and itís really cute. My father snores like crazy so I donít think the Boston will out do him! I am a deeper sleeper as well so I donít worry about them waking me. I agree the gas is cute as well lol I can definitely live with that considering I'm usually the gassy one with all the hummus I eat LOL! I agree the pros far out weight the cons with this breed! I'm going to get in touch with those breeders this afternoon and try to visit them and have a look at the dogs myself to get a tangible idea of how the breed is!
I was obviously thinking WAY too deep when you said knockouts! Here I am thinking itís some fancy term but no! The only thing I'm still wondering is whether they would be able to do the morning runs with me, is 1-2k too much? Thanks so much for all your help Pen it means a lot!
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Yung, my dogs would easily do it, I probably would NOT go for it if the temp was bordering on 28-30, too hot, but a short run would not hurt. I'm a bit paranoid about running them in the heat. I know when it's too hot for them, they just want to turnaround and go home!As far as the cold goes, you are going to have to invest in some little boots! Their feet will not take the ice and salt, and there are many different types of boots for sale. Yes, I was talking about ***********, I've a good mind to call them myself, I'm in love with one of their dogs,and would dearly like a puppy from him. I would'nt count out the other place though,there was nothing wrong with them, whatsoever. I just happen to love Hornerbrooks type. Of course you will also have to wait until spring probably anyway(to run him) because the pup will be too small to run any distance with you, and you will have the whole fall to leash train the little bugger. One suggestion, I would always use a harness and leash, as opposed to a collar and leash on a Boston.You start out by just putting the harness on the dog, until he thinks it's normal. Then you add the leash, If you're going to obedience, you will have no problem. Bostons are highly intelligent, and catch on very quickly.
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Yeah Iíll definitely have to keep an eye on them in the summers when it gets really hot especially like this past summer where the heat was brutal! The boots will be cute! I suppose like with the harness I should train them to get used to the boots too. How do you determine whether or not a dam and sire would produce a good stock? Do you look for certain markings or something else? Thanks for the harness suggestions Iíll keep that in mind. How soon should I start doing that? Actually, how soon do I start training the pup, immediately?
Yung, start reading about the Boston breed standards. You will find everything in there, desirable and undesirable characteristics, and so on. That will give you a good knowledge base to work from. As far as training the puppy goes, you're first task is toilet training, and from then on, everything else. Here is where you hit the books. I will be available for questions that you may have.