I just had a trainer come out today and "evaluate" my dog and he said the main reason i cant train him is because Shadow thinks he is Alpha dog. He also said i couldnt place Shadow in his $75 class because he was part Pit Bull and wasnt sure if he had this certian gene in him that ables him to stop when fighting or not. So i was a little upset exspecially when he said his next lowest cost training was $360!! I told the man thank you for his time and i would let him know but i dont think i will be calling him back. Is this a normal price for training and the type of training i was asking for? And does anyone have ANY advice what so all to give me to help me?? I have called all of my local trainers in the phone book but none have called me back!
Have you checked with your local Anti-Cruelty Society (or whatever your local branch is called?) I live in Chicago and they offer classes for puppies and dogs and their requirements are that your dog is up to date on his shots and if they are over a certain age, neutered/spayed. It might be worth investigating. Maybe I should back up and ask what kind of training you're looking for?
Mmmmm im not sure what that would be here...like the local shelters?? And im just looking for the basic training commands and how to tell my dog I AM alpha dog and he is NOT! Thats what the trainer reccomended i get done was just the basics and about being alpha dog.
I am sorry to hear that your trainer had such a negative attitude. Even if your dog was a total monster he should have been more helpful and provided more encouragement.
It also seems that he has omly the most basic understanding of your breed.
Why did you have the trainer visit? What was the problem?
If you are seeking to fix any kind of violent dog behaviour; YES, that can be very expensive. I have some help on my site, perhaps I can send you a free membership or something that will get you some advice, or, at least, some positive direction.
It bothers me when other trainers do not TRY HARDER to make things right.
At best the trainer is not the best or brightest to have made a statement like that. He sounds as though he is not very experienced in dogs jut based on that sentence. Perhaps charge more if he is more of a problem dog than usual, yes...but the "gene that doesnt allow them to stop fighting"?
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
As a trainer myself I'm appauled that another trainer would make such a statement. Dogs are what we make them. they have natural instincts from generations back but ALL dogs are trainable. Now I can see that if he is aggressive how it's not always safe to put them in the same class as others depending on the issue but his other statements are ridiculous
For what it's worth, SweetieMommy,I can believe someone would make a stupid crack like that about your dog being part pitty. It's totally inappapropriate, but I can see it being said. Suffice to say, this is not the trainer you're looking for. What area do you live in? Maybe there are some members here who know of some decent trainers, near you. How does your dog behave? How old is he? What are the other components of his breed? What problems are you having?
No he said way back when the Europeans brought over their Pits they were crossbreed with other dogs to be better fighters and thats how the whole pit bulls that can lock their teeth together, and pits with bigger muscles started. He also said that dogs have a natural instinct that when another dog does the submissive posture they will stop fighting. So the breeders who bred them for fighting started to realize that they wouldnt make any money because no dog ever died. One would always give the submissive posture and the other would stop. So thats why he's not sure if my dog is one who waaaaaaay back in the line had the gene naturally or had the gene removed, and he just wants to be sure before he gets him around other dogs so he doesnt try to make a fight with them and then not stop when the other dog gives the submissive posture. If you dont beleive me PM me and i will give you the guys name and number, my name and number so you can ask him about it because that is honest to god what he said.
And no my dog isnt aggressive...he just needs to be better socialized and trained so that he knows he is not the Alpha dog in this pack but that i am...thats what the trainer said. He said my dog has gotten it in his head he is the Alpha dog around my house so thats why he does the things he does.
I have a 2 year old Pit Bull/ Lab mix named Shadow. He is really a nice dog when you get the chance to know him but if you are first time coming up to him people are sometimes a little intimidated. When you approach the fence he will bark and jump at the fence like crazy. He will also get low, lower his bark to a deep bark, and raise the neck hairs. Once he smells around you and he knows your okay to be here he is completely fine and relaxed. He thinks where ever you are he needs to be. If you are on the couch he thinks he needs to be on there ect. ect. He has NO food aggression whats so ever. I could even stick my head in his bowl with him and he wouldnt mind a bit. He likes to play keep away. Say if i throw something and he gets it he will run to me but instead of dropping it he will run away from me and kind of play bow. I will reach to grab the toy and he will bolt away. And so on and so on. Also if you pick up one of his toys and he sees it most the time he will run at you jump up t your face and try to get the toy from you. If you dont give it to him he gets very very mad and prsistent about getting the toy from you. He also barks constantly at people walking by and or other dogs. Now if we encounter a person and dog on the road he will bark but most the time keep walking. If he is off the leash he would run up to them introduce himself and depending on the other dog either stay and sniff or run away nehind me and bark. People on the other hand if he is on the leash most the time he just barks and continues on his way but if he is off the leash he will run, barking, right up to them, pass them, turn around, and start kind of ripping a little at their clothing.
He is very weird and all of what he does is giving me mixed saying on whats wrong. No it didnt cost me anything to have to guy come out and evaluate him but it would to get him in his class. Also i live in the north part of california, up by Eurkea about 15-20 minutes away. I have called all the trainers in the ohone book but none have called back. It is becomeing very frustrating!
Do NOT let this dog run off leash! I'm sorry to say but by doing this you are asking for trouble in a big way. He is not at all under your control and in my opinion is expressing dominant behavior and a lack of respect for you in your home as well as fear agression in public. This is a bad combination to have running loose regardless of breed, but since your dog is part pitty if he does bite someone he is capable of doing alot of damage as well as will have to fight a bad rap given to him because of public opinion of the breed. I would suggest you immedieatly begin training in the home using the NILIF method. This is an easy way to begin training yourself at home and is hard to mess up ;)
Do not allow him on furniture or beds for now at all! ONLY give affection when he is sitting or laying down. Walk him at least one long walk a day. Make him sit at the door so that you go through firs and he follows, if he rushes past-back in the house and start again. First day you may not get any farther than your front yard, lol! It is important that he heel or follow you on this walk, he is working, not play time on walks. Make him sit or down stay several times on the walk, praise when he does this correctly. Talk to him softly while you are walking (no baby talk it will excite him). Eventually you can add alonger lead and practice down and sit stay's as you walk to the end of the lead. Then you can practice the recal or come comand. Master one step at a time allow at least 2 weeks for each step of the walk and you should establish leadership. In the mean time do some research and find a good trainer to help you. Get references and if you can go watch him work without your dog. I can't emphasize enough how important it is in your situation to have a good trainer. The wrong trainer can make a dominant dog worse, I have esperienced this and had to have my dear pitty PTS 6 years ago because a "trainer" turned my dominant dog into a man biter. If you PM me your info I'll gladly share my whole experience with you and try to help you any way I can :)
I prefur to have my Bordeaux with fur instead of a cork and bottle ;)
That's to bad I am moving to Humboldt Bay Next summer, I could help you. I do not think that your dog is dominante. I think your dog is worried. And when he is worried he expresses behaviors to tell others to stay away. And fences, and other physical boundries sometimes set otherwise stable dogs off. Socailization after 16 weeks has been proven to be very ineffective. To get a dog to feel comfortable about others takes some postive Assocaition and desenstization. By defintion Socailization will happen naturally through exposure, with very little work. But after 16 weeks this part of the dogs brain sort of cements and we need to bring in training. It is very hard to tell you exactly what to do over the internet. If you could find a trainer that has had success with dogs that have similar problems, I would suggest that first.
here is something that may help, when I go for walks and socialize I do not make a big effort for the dog to show affection or make friends. All I want is the dog to see people and other dogs as if they are part of the background, they or neither bad or good. They are just thier. So, If I had your dog, I would walk and not stop. If I saw any avoidance or aggression I would simply move away till the dog was calm. Then I would keep the dog at that distance for awhile. Then on successive outings I would move a little closer, maybe feeding the dog. to keep thier stress level down. And when I see the dog is okay with this, after a few training sessions move closer...and keep repeating this. Read some books by Dr. Patricia McConnel. She is a animal behaviorist who has specialized in dogs like this. She is great and is well respected. Start with the other the end of the leash.
I believe a dog's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment he holds dear, is when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-with a ball in his mouth."
Red...thats kind of rude! Just because he is part Pit you are telling me not to let him off the leash? He spends well over 98of his life off the leash. The only time he has a leash on is when we are taking a walk or we are at an event but other than that he is off the leash free to run and he, no one else, and no other animal is dead yet obviously! Say if we go to the river...we have a leash but we just let him run and when we call him he comes back. So dont say just because hes part Pit i need to keep him leashed up...thats why alot of Pits turn aggressive. The problem has nothting to do with the leash, it has to do with his "attitude".
Leashing a dog does not make it aggressive. Rather, leashing an untrained dog may make it frustrated, which leads to barking, which leads to other frustrated dogs barking back, which ultimately triggers aggressive behaviour. So, if your dog is often leashed, please train it to heel at your side.
My dogs are almost always FREE. And I do mean free. In fact, my Whippet is almost never on a leash. Almost Never, but she is a rare astonishing dog. My other dogs are only leashed when I take them into town for training/socialization walks. And that only happens once a month. I live far away from anything and I don't want my country dogs to be city stupid. So once a month I take them into the city for a walk.
If your dog is good off the leash and you really trust him... by all means, ROCK & ROLL. But if you are having training problems it may be advisable to pull back some of that freedom so to help your dog's head space fall into training mode.
" He also barks constantly at people walking by and or other dogs. Now if we encounter a person and dog on the road he will bark but most the time keep walking. If he is off the leash he would run up to them introduce himself and depending on the other dog either stay and sniff or run away nehind me and bark. People on the other hand if he is on the leash most the time he just barks and continues on his way but if he is off the leash he will run, barking, right up to them, pass them, turn around, and start kind of ripping a little at their clothing. "
The above statement is the reason I sugest that you keep your dog leashed in public. The only reason the fact that your dog is part pit has anything to do with is is because if something does happen (because you do not have control over your animal)it will most likely affect the way you are treated. A person who encounters you and who "has there clothing ripped at" or perhaps nipped by your dog is more apt to file charges against you than the owner of a Chi who does the same thing. Be responsible and realize that I am trying to help you! I have nothing against pits, I owned one and the dogs I breed now have many similar traits. I am giving you advice from experience, if you choose to ignore the warnings and clues given to you by others then this may not be the breed of dog for you. ANY dog in a public place should be trained, socialized and under the owners complete control before being allowed off the leash. This is not only for the saftey of your dog but for the saftey of the public. There is a reason that there is a "leash law". Imaging your dog ran up to another dog who was agressive, on leash. Now your dog is in biting reach and gets bit or mamed, or then what if he fights back and both dogs and people are harmed - all your fault and you will be held legaly responsible for this.
If youn reread my previous post you will see that I said "regardless of what breed" I also stated that you will have to contend with popular public opinion and a bad rap. I am trying to protect you and your dog not attacking you. My statement was far from rude.
I can go on with scenerio, but at this point I feel as though you want a simple fix and are going to take offensesive by playing the "my poor pitty" card. Owning a pit or ANY large breed takes additional responsibility because of what the dog is capable of if not trained properly. The first step in training your dog is to realize what breed it is.
I prefur to have my Bordeaux with fur instead of a cork and bottle ;)
If you read i said i do keep him leashed in public. And ok the way you put it came off as very rude and i just thought i would say my part. I only asked this so i could get help on training, not to have an arguing contest with everyone about leashes.
Just an Update i have Shadow in a training class for 3 weeks, more if needed, every Saturday from 4-6 i think and his first class when great! We worked on the automatic checking and he is getting very good and also working with starngers teaching him not all strangers are bad! Next week is come lol! Update more then!