When our dogs misbehave we say, "Ooooh you're gonna get beatings!" and shake a finger at them. They think a finger shake is a "beating". Dogs try to please their people. If they know you are displeased that is generally sufficient for them to try to correct the behavior. Hitting and beating are not necessary and only confuse and scare the dog and can cause injuries. How can it focus on the puddle it made on the floor and understand it is unacceptable if it is totally focused on an angry human about to hurt it? A standard (be consistent and don't keep changing signals) warning like, "No!" or a finger shake lets the dog understand you are not happy with something it has done but doesn't terrify it so much it can't think about the reason you are not happy and learn from it. A corrected dog is not a terrified dog.
arachyd1 In all honesty you don't have to say "Ooooh you're gonna get beatings!" They do not speak fluid English and everyone else around you will stare at you like your a beater!
Maybe shake the finger and say NO NO. just a thought. I know if I said that to my dogs I would have a few phone calls as it seems all men (truck drivers at my shop) love dogs. I know you mean it in just jest but know one else knows that! (THANK GOODNESS)
No reason to speak bad or hit your babies! If I ever found out that ANY SOB ever hit an animal I will be all over you like stink on shit !
Just a thought.
***Edited By: WileyBlaze on 10/20/2007 6:34:57 PM*** Reason: do not hit your kids you cowards!
My sister thinks by hitting your dog on the but it will stop it from doing what you dont want them to do. Boy did i tell her up! LOL! Hitting is cruel and you should NEVER under NO circumstances ever hit your dog. It doesnt do a thing to them but hurt them. They wont learn anything excpet your mean and that your a bad person who they dont like and dont want to be around leaving them open to anger problems.
My neighbors have four or five dogs, one just killed himself after being locked up his entire life in an outdoor kennel. He jumped up and was somehow stabbed in the chest with the metal fencing. Nice huh? But besides that I am always amazed at their full proof doggie advice. First it started when they told us they solved the barking problems by putting shock collars on each of the dogs. Then she told me how she disciplined the dogs when they did naughty things like chewing stuff up by giving them a good spanking. Supposedly this will solve all your problems.
Then at a local festival I was talking to a gentlemen who rescues old german shepherds and gives them each a job. I was telling him about our problems with our dog jumping up on people. First he suggested we get this harness that pulls the legs out from under the dog when they jump. Then he said he had one dog that didn't respond to the harness. One day the dog did something, jump up or get out of the yard, I can't remember, but he went crazy and picked the dog up and literally threw it in it's crate so that it hit the back and slammed against the wall. He's never had a problem with that dog since. UGH!
To top it off I talked to our trainer about those harnesses that are supposed to stop jumping and be humane. She said she has known of two dogs that broke their legs while wearing one of those. She thinks they are very inhumane and can't believe stores still sell them.
This is a loaded question because i doubt, very seriously, that if anyone beat their pets, they would admit it here, on a pet forum. It does happen though. The ones that kill me are the people that claim how much they love their pets and would never lay a hand on them, yet they allow their children to kick, slap, punch, pull hair and even bite their pets. When my grandsons were staying the summer, they had a couple neighbor kids over to play. The boys were around 9-10. One was a mean little brat. When he thought i wasnt looking , i saw him grab Tiger Lilys ear and twist it. I grabbed him by the hair ( twisting it ) as i escorted him to the front door. Then i told him to go tell his momma that i pulled his hair and why i did it.
Children need to be taught how to treat animals at an early age so that they do NOT become animal abusers as adults.
If you are a dog and your owner suggests that you wear a sweater, suggest that he wear a tail.
Juno, I've had a few fights to contend with..of course the dogs are much smaller.I have found that no amount of physical force will stop them from attacking each other. How did you seperate your dogs, or was it by beating on them?
Ok guys, being an ex-Humane Agent in Ohio, I have to respond (lol). In Ohio, beating a dog is against the law. I had to investigate a few of those type claims. Two of the them were minors, one I prosecuted. With children, I have found that they learn how to mistreat animals from their parents, or because they are mistreated their selves. We had to take classes on how to recoginize child abuse when investigating animal cruelty cases and the Child Welfare had to take classes on animal cruelty. Seems they go hand in hand. Scary!
I don't really care how people look at me for talking to my dogs. I happen to have hunting-bred coonhounds. They are extremely vocal and voice-oriented and they learn better from phrases than from single words. Ask 100 owners of coonhounds that hunt and probably 80-90 will tell you they can't be raised in the home and must be in a kennel. They are also usually the ones that don't talk to their dogs except in single word commands. Mine live in our home and do very well. Coonhounds have different vocalizations for everything they do because most often when they communicate it is night time (while hunting) and sound works better than sight so it is more meaningful for them. I can't count how many phrases my dogs know because they constantly pick up new ones and can learn very fast. One of my females was going out for a romp and we invited a friend from work to bring her elderly pug because he was so old it wasn't much fun for him to walk down a boring sidewalk on a leash. We took the dogs to a big field I have permission to use (fenced but huge) so he could explore dirt and grass and smells with no chance of him getting near a road or anything dangerous. The dog was deaf and nearly blind from age so we had to be able to capture him when they were done playing-not too hard, he couldn't go fast. My dog had never met this dog before. I told her, "This is Brownie" and indicated the other dog a couple of times. It wasn't too long before they were playing like old friends. Suddenly we could not see Brownie in the tall grass and my dog had just come back and sat at my feet. I said to my friend, "Where's Brownie?" and my dog leaped up, raced through the grass, and herded him back to us. My dog knows the words "where's" and "where is" and was able to remember Brownie's name that fast , make a decision, and act correctly on it. Yes, I do talk to my hounds. Our other dogs are more 1-word dogs but the hounds DO understand. Anyone having trouble getting their dog to understand single words might try using 2 or 3 word phrases, especially if there is a bit of hound in them. We also use hand signals but phrases work best for our dogs.
Juno, did you turn a water hose on them, I've heard that works, although I doubt it with my crazy little buggers. As for the controversy, this is an open forum, last time I checked you're entitled to say almost anything.
I must say, I do not believe in beating any thing, animal or human. I do believe, however, in discipline. My last dog was terrified of water d/t his previous owner using it as a type of abuse. (He was a drop-off I rescued and found out later who the original owners were.) However, one slap (not hit, or punch or kick) to the rump as an attention-getter worked wonders. One, not two or three or so on. It was not meant to hurt him, it was an, "I told you something, and you ignored me, now I want your attention." I was raised getting my fair share of spankings. I was not beaten or abused. I don't believe that one spank is gonna hurt them permanently...unless they are the super-sensitive type that takes offense at everything and hold grudges (I have heard of dogs that are like that). Now, I do NOT agree with hitting, kicking or throwing a dog across the room or the yard. That is cruelty. I have to agree though, that by shaking your finger and saying NO NO to two dogs fighting is not gonna make 'em stop. I've split up a few fights and it takes muscle. Escpecially when one of them weighs in at 115#.
Pen, Ok, if you must know. Just remember that you asked me to.
But first, to make it clear, I only condone the use of force as last resort, not for training or punishment.
Water might work to prevent a fight before it starts and stall them long enough for you to get them separated, but once they get their jaws on one another, it just cools them down and refreshes them.
The best and most effective way to break up a fight between large dogs that worked for me with minimal effort and risk, for both the dogs and to me, was the use of a cattle prod.
At first, I used a rubber garden hose to beat the crap out of them until they let go long enough for me to drag one out of the area. However, with their infamous high pain threshold, it took a lot of effort and would really drain me and required me to get way too close for comfort and put myself at risk. Then I got the brilliant idea of using a stun gun. Well that was not so brilliant after all when the first time I used it, the stunned dog let go of his foe to bit the hand that stunned it, crashing every bone in my hand. Even thou it worked, it was way too risky. So I talked to a very famous "Hollywood trainer" who bought some dogs from me for his rich and famous clients. He suggested a cattle prod. It solved the proximity problem I had with the stun gun. Just a few jabs each from a safe distance took the fight right out of even the toughest ones. When they try to bite it, all they got was the prod. My hand was at a safe distance from the source of the pain. I tried it on myself to make sure it is safe beforehand, and I can tell you it hurts like nothing else I have ever experienced, and I had 3 kids and a kidney stone. It did not take long before they would stop on their own as soon as they saw me running with the prod in my hand. Worked like a charm.
If I seem to have a superiority complex, it is because you make it so easy.
Thanks Juno, for telling me what worked. Would you say the instument you used would be the same thing we use on cattle and pigs, which is a cattle prod, or is there a different product (stun gun). I'm asking you these questions for a very good reason, and I'm glad to get an honest and useful answer.I just read your post again, and you had already answered my question. How much force does a stun gun have, is it electrical, or how does it work? Do you know what size of animal it should not be used on? Or a better question would be what size of dog would you not approve of using it on.
***Edited By: Pen2 on 10/20/2007 9:10:41 PM*** Reason: addition
Prods and stun guns work differently. Prod does not have the pretty sparks of a stun gun. I have seen stun guns with 50,000-250,000 volts. I have no idea what either one will do to a small dog. I used it on Akitas. I canít recommend anything of this nature to other people. For all I know, it will kill your dog. All I will say is that it worked for my dogs and as far as I can tell, other then the immediate pain, there were no lingering effects.
As I said, the stun gun was a bad idea. Its use sent me to the emergency room and put me out of commission for a week. Got to get too close to use it, and quickly get out of the way. It is too risky.
If I seem to have a superiority complex, it is because you make it so easy.