I wish I heard you say you did your breeding homework BEFORE you bred your dog. Eating the afterbirth is not something for you to interfere with. This is totally normal and helps Mom do a couple of things. 1/it provides stimula-tion for contractions to deliver the next pup. 2/It clears the membrane from the pups face and mouth and while she's doing that it stims the pup to breath. 3/Again, it's 100% normal. Enjoy Mom and the pups and read, read, read. Edu-cate yourself and you'll enjoy puppyhood alot more.

Waggin, good information! Do you let them eat all the afterbirth? I don't. Gives them horrible runs. Depending on the size of litter, they get 1 or 2.

Looks like you are new here? welcome.

Savannah, is this what you mean about trying to offer help after the deed is done?? Just curious. I thought after the deed was done, there was no point in yelling, but we should be offering help to those in need...........hmmmmm

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Posted: 12:49:45 PM 10/14/2007


I'm sorry, this is total irresponsibility. Your bitch was in heat, I bet first heat, and you allowed your young stud dog near her? Now you are going to make a puppy have puppies?

A vet saying your dog is healthy has nothing to do with genetic soundness for breeding. IF you have been reading as you indicate then you knew your boy should not be around your girl when she was in heat and you allowed it to happen. As a long time breeder, I am not able to be happy about this either as you are clearly not being responsible or fair to your PUPPIES. yes, you own PUPPIES and you owed them more then to allow this to happen.

YOU WANT YOUR 11 1/2 MONTH OLD PUPPY TO BE SUCCESSFULLY BRED AND HAVE PUPPIES???? WHAT ARE YOU NUTS? I'm sorry for yelling but this is the type of thing that sincerely sets me off. Do you not get you have a puppy? This is not an adult dog of 2 years old, but a very young puppy, not even a year..... and you want it to be successful? that's disgusting and shame on your vet because vet's know better.

Thank you Windy for paying such attention you point out one of the very very few times I have ever been upset around here. Nice Job and I sincerely mean that.


Oh, check your PM... it's actually important and has nothing to do with this thread. I do not know if you know you have a dog out there someone is re-homing and I figured you would want to know, I would. Truth, someone else brought it to my attention but you should know.

Windy,

I posted a comment about "bugs" because I thought that was hilarious. I am not creating a designer breed. As a matter of fact, I am not even a breeder or attempting to be a breeder.

Here is the WHOLE story of what happened since my thread (Pregnancy) had completely escalated when I lost my head in anger at being bashed and I never let out the whole story. (Due to being stubborn and to reasons I will add to the bottom of this post.)

What happened w/ Zoe was not an "intentional" breeding in the sense of: here, she's in heat, you're a male dog, mount her and give me puppies. No, I had bought the male specifically to breed her because I wanted a puppy of hers. HOWEVER, this was two years ago and nothing had ever happened, neither one showed any intention of standing around making attempts. (How little did we know then!) We thought we were safe, and in the meantime, we made his appointment, and this time around, when she was in heat, he made an attempt. My husband and I at this point no longer had puppies on our agenda, as we had other things going on, including an addition to our own family since we bought the male. We kept them apart at all times, and unfortunatly there was one instance when my 3 year old let out the male and Zoe was outside. We all know what the outcome of THAT was. Detour (the daddy) went on to his appointment to get neutered 4 days later. Then 5 days after THAT, they were outside together, because at that time, I had NO idea that he still would have that "will" and they tied. By then anway it was too late as she was already pregnant. I read everything I could get my hands on everywhere, so that I could be as smart about it as I could. I came on here because my judgement about what was going on was skewed as I also had NO experience in this and I was completely nervous, impatient, and worried about not doing anything "right."


NOW, I lost my head when people started bashing at me and just said I planned this. I HAD, just not at that time and that time was not going to come around. ****Mind you, at that time I had no idea that there was such a thing as trolls, what they did, etc. - this is my very first forum. (stating this for all you who will think anyway that I made the "intentional mating" comment to get a rise out of you) ********* I got completely angry that everyone was so quick to judge, and when everything escalated, it just got to the point where I no longer felt I needed to explain myself as if I was a relactirant child and simply started answering "Thank you for your opinion and concern."

I DO NOT think that breeders HAVE to breed purebreds. I DO NOT feel that a purebred is in anyway, superior to mixed breeds. Having said that, I DO think, especially since learning a whole lot more about breeding, and abnormalities then I will ever need to know about - That people should NOT intentionally breed when they have no idea what breeds are involved because they can't get tests done to check for all the different deformaties, etc. Like I said, Zoe's litter was an "accidental-intentional" breeding.

I just think that coming up w/ their own names for a mixed dog to make them "sound" better is ridiculous. They are what they are.

Again, for anyone who is standing ready to just bash because I don't agree w/ their opinions, let me just clarify.

**I do think people should adopt from shelters, rescues, etc. However, this is not always appropriate nor ideal for everybody and their families. And breeding will always be done, be it purebreds or mixed breeds.

**I think if you are going to breed, breed the right way. Getting tests done or whatever else needs to go into it to make sure the mama, and the pups are safe and tested and free of deformities, etc. This means that you should know all the breeds involved in these puppies.


For you all who make take offense at this post, I am entitled to my own opinion as is everyone else. My opinions may be "wrong" (such as how I feel about breeding) but it is an opinion and may be uninformed as I don't have experience in breeding and all that goes into it and I DON'T care to know as I have no intention of being a breeder. I have stated in the past that I am grateful for Pen, Savannah and Windy for their extremely helpful advice and information. Would I have gotten through it without them? Yes, I would have. Did I need to? Nope, because they all helped me anyway regardless of their opinion.


Apparently, I wrote a book (lol) Sorry about that! And it may be a little disjointed, as I was not able to keep my thoughts and my fingers going together!!

I think that the OP was wrong in the intentional breeding, but to blast like that was just as wrong. I have a male that I belive is still too young to be neutered, and he did get a female in heat. I made it extremely clear that he was not to be outside alone, and an ex roommate ignored me and let him out. I am paying the dog's owner's vet bills as a result. My male is only 6 mos.

It's very easy to have mistakes happen, and any breeder who says they hav'nt had an 'oops' or at least a near miss, is not telling the truth. There is absolutely no point in berating a person who has had an accidental breeding. Its very useful to point out the obvious spay-neuter information, although when I say obvious, it's obvious to those of us who are breeders, or wise in the ways of canine physiology. People forget that there are others out there who don't have a clue what they're dealing with. Once the deed is done, there's no point in crying over spilt milk, only in offering helpful information for the pregnancy, whelping, spay, neuter, whatever is the case. People who intentionally breed mixed breeds, or the designer dogs that are popping up everywhere upset me, the reason being there are already too many dogs in shelters, most don't do any health testing, and the product of the breeding is an unknown; so those pups may end up in shelters too because they had horrible dispositions, or physical problems that nobody wants to deal with. The other reason they make me mad is the outrageous price they're charging, and calling them a cute name to justify it. I'm not a purebred dog snob in any way, shape or form, I love dogs, and I don't care what breed they are (well I do have some preferences, and a couple of breeds I'm not fond of) but when you spend years breeding, and know the pitfalls of breeding, and somone posts ....I bred my dog to my friends dog to see what we'd get, that just saddens me.

I guess the think that really set me off on this one, is the original poster got this Boston from a RESCUE and then bred it because they just wanted that one litter. I don't know any rescue organization that will allow you to breed a rescue dog. So either the OP is not being honest as to where they got the dog or else they have misrepresented themselves to the rescue organization. Either way, I just really pissed me off when I read yet another one of these threads. And this was not an Oops litter, it was an intentional breeding.
And to Pen2, I am not lying, I have NEVER had an oops litter or a near miss. But I have 19 different enclosures to separate dogs. If I can't keep them apart with that many inclosed areas, something is terriably wrong. And that is only counting large runs and fenced in yards. I use wire to small for anyone to bred through a fence as well.

Sorry Windy, I should'nt generalize, and I don't think you're lying at all. I do know there are a lot more accidents than most breeders are willing to admit to, but I apologize if you thought I was counting you amongst them.

I just realized that I got all worked up about these posts and they are old!!!! From 2007. Anyway... I am not going to delete my posts... so here goes:


My God I can't believe the bickering that is going on in this site. I came in to get some advice about my dog's discharge and it started off well until that person that called the dog "Bugs" posted her comment. You said mixing breeds and backyard breeders in the same post... but backyard breeders also breed 100% breed dogs and they are still backyard breeders. Not everyone that comes here is a backyard breeders. I have a dog that had beautiful mixed breed puppies and I have not left the house because I want to make sure she and pups are ok. I came here for advice because she worried me with the discharge... I immediately read it was normal and was very happy and pleased with this forum...THEN IT HAPPENED! A couple of breeders started the arguing. I thank you guys so much for your advise, knowledge and expertise about breeding. But don't judge... give advice...you don't have to be sweet or nice, but don't be rude either. The puppies are already here! You want to make us feel bad for these little creatures that just happen to be of different breeds. You don't know the reason why they are different breeds. There may be many... could be that the dog next door who happens to be a terrier hopped over the fence and mated with the neighbor's Maltese. What should that person do... an abortion? And after they are here... should they just keep them all and hide them in shame because they are so adorable that they may encourage other people to mix breeds? Or... maybe just take them to the animal shelter like unwanted puppies and make it the shelter's problem to find homes for these unfortunate mixed breed puppies. What should be done with them in that case? So it happened... they still can have a chance and the right to find a home and be loved.
What you guys that are bothered by people that purposely mix breeds should do is create a website to educate and offer your opinions as to why it should not be done. By reading a lot of stuff in this forum... I think what it all boils down to is sales...money... a business and businesses don't like competition. Yea... I will probably sell some of my puppies give others away... it's my right to do whichever I want... but I will have spent a lot of money on them by then... starting with money spent when the mom was pregnant with blood tests and x rays to when I have the puppies shots given to then find them homes and give the new owners really healthy puppies. Thank you and I truly appreciate your advice... we all need it... but don't need criticism.


***Edited By: mercymercyme on 11/19/2010 6:35:31 PM***
Reason: added a note to my post

Excuse me. could someone tell me what an "OP" and a "PM" is. I am not hip on the lingo on messages in these forums.

Also to those criticizing people that mix breeds ... doesn't everyone deserve to get help when they are desperate about their dog/puppy regardless of how it got to this world? Doesn't it need a chance at living and being healthy? It's like... "I'm not happy to help you because you have mix breed dog and you shouldn't have allowed it to happen. So... this is what you do... but you are a despicable person and you make me sick. They should arrest or give fines to people like you that allowed dogs to mix." You guys are not going to stop this from happening, but those people that it already happen to and are crazy in love with their puppies...you are really making them feel like the lowest crap on earth. I mixed my dog intentionally... but you know... I did not know the negative things about it. If I would have had the slightest incline that it can cause problems by mixing or good reasons why not to mix whether it caused problems of not, I would not have done it. But the whole thing happened with no one being aware that it should not be done. Geez... everywhere you look you find these websites or pet stores that offer designer dogs and you just think... those are cute dogs... just like you would think of any puppy whether it's pure bred or mixed. It's just a puppy. Why don't you put your energy into starting a campaign against pet shops and the breeders that are in the business of selling dogs of any breeds including "designer breeds" to stop. them? Good luck. I sincerely wish that could be done.

***Edited By: mercymercyme on 11/19/2010 6:30:51 PM***
Reason: editting

Hi all just stumbled on to this thread today. My girl just had a litter and I was worried about the discharge. I thought discharge was fine and my books even backed me up but I couldn't help but worry. Your thread helped to assure me that everything is fine and I will not be packing up the gang to go on to a wild trip to the vet. Thanks :D

I am new here but holy cow I would be scared to ask Windy anything. I think she has been around animals so much and has forgotten how to socialize with humans lol

I always only let dad near the pups when the pups were much older around 6 to7 weeks old and even then only through a very well protected penned ares that the pups were in!
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However, if your dog gives birth, and you're a first time dog owner, there are SO many details and variables that trying to explain them would not be beneficial to you - you would need to get her and any puppies born to the vet IMMEDIATELY. Find a breeder close to you and ask them to talk with you, or if they have a dam about to deliver, then maybe you can see the delivery. Many breeders are happy to educate people on the reproduction and what is involved in healthy puppies; including dams, sires, food, monitoring, food supplements, distress signs, etc.
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I too am all flustered about this thread then realized its old! Lol but anyway I wanted to say I don't think it's good to try to create all these combinations of dogs but who are any of you to say its irresponsible to breed a boston with a pug!!!!!!!!! Are you the same kind of people who say if I'm Mexican that I can't marry someone Japanese????? It's the same flipping thing! Geez thie original poster of this thread didnt say he bread a great dane with a yorkie he didn't say he bred a bulldog with a shi zhu and is gonna charge $1000 a pup and call them a bullsh**. He bread a dog he wanted the chance to b a mother and is keeping the pups! Note to self to be extremely careful of anything I post here because I may get crucified. A

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