You know, not everybody believes in god. Just because you do doesn't mean you can dismiss the idea of this movie for everybody.
Personally, I have trouble believing in things that I cannot see. I also have trouble having faith in believing in "God" after watching my grandmother suffer for a year with Liver cancer and wasting away to a green bag of bones. That doesn't make me any less of a person than those who believe, it's what I choose.
I don't see any problem with books/movies showing other sides... everybody has their own opinions. It is a free country.
If I ever have children I will force no religion on them, they will be free to choose to believe in what they wish to believe in. If they are Christian, great.. if they want to be something else, great too.
Notice I did not specify one way or another my belief or non belief system. I just brought the subject to the table. But since we are now discussing it I will tell you that I do not have a problem with a movie or book being written by an atheist, I have a problem with a movie or book being written that attacks another person's personal values or belief system. If he wants to write a book about a fairy tale world or whatever that's fine, but when he begins attacking a culture or religion then it becomes a problem. Your personal rights in this world end where another's begin. The ideas he is spewing are a form of religious racism and it's absolutely sick, not to mention writing a book for children that includes castration and female circumcision. I would say that is a little inappropriate for children's literature despite your religious or non religious background.
I'm sorry you feel the need to be defensive about this issue, but know that I am not upset with this movie due to the man's personal beliefs, I am upset that he is attacking mine.
Hitler had the same sick belief system and look where that ended up, would you support a book or movie he wrote?
Let is also be noted that I did not say here's this horrible movie do not see it. I stated, you decide if it's appropriate, which in my eyes would mean that I am leaving the decision up to the individual and I am merely informing people of the content and intentions of the movie. The author himself said that he was trying to water down the movie so unknowing parents would rush out and buy the books for their children. He is trying to be deceptive and take advantage of hard working well meaning parents who may not have the time to monitor every page of every book their children read. If he was really grounded in his convictions he would not feel the need to hide his motives and deceive people.
Also I really do not understand how a person who claims to not believe in any gods can believe that each child has their own demon who guides them through life. He stated that his hatred towards the Catholic church was primarily because they try to separate children from their demons. I'm sorry but that doesn't seem to be the words of a mentally healthy individual to me. But that's clearly just my opinion.
Valid point, however I am not suggesting that we kill this particular author or even ostracize him. I am just not willing to financially support his career when it involves attacking and persecuting those of another religion. I in fact am not of the particular religion that he is isolating, but I believe in standing up for those that are being unfairly prejudiced against. The same as I would for the ppl of say Darfur or even someone of the Islamic faith who is being unfairly depicted.
I think far too many ppl stand back and watch injustices taking place instead of standing up for those who are being abused. I have no prejudices of any religion or non religion for that matter. I have met some great atheists that I would consider friends, but I have also met some that have an enormous amount of anger placed towards Christianity in particular and it seems very unfair to use their stance as a platform to abuse another's belief system.
At one time I did believe there was a god, that time is gone. I have watched my mother dwindle away to a shell for 10 years from alzheimers disease. Why? If there is a god, why has she been allowed to suffer as she has? Is it because of something I or one of my siblings have done? If so, why is she the one to suffer, it should be the one who committed the sin. She believed in god, and look where it's gotten her.
There is only so much hypocritism (sp?) a person can witness and still believe, and I myself am beyond that point. I know many "christians" and I'm pretty sure there won't be room in he#! for me because they'll be taking up the space. I do not go around trying to sway others to my way of thinking, if I'm asked, I give them my opinion...if only "christians" would do the same...
As for the movie, no one is going to twist anyone's arm to go see it. It's up to the individual whether they do or not. However, it is good that the information is out there for the more discriminating parent to be aware of what their children are watching and reading.
I will not watch it. I do not put stipulations on my children as to what they watch, they are adults, but i know they will not let their children watch it. It is not the way they were raised to believe. I have a strong faith in God. My children do also. They are instilling the same values in my grandchildren. So many people are quick to point out the bad things that happen in their lives, that they forget to be thankful for all the blessings. I give thanks every day for the many that i have. My health, a roof over my head, food, my kids, my grandkids, my dogs, cat. And the ability to wake up to the sun shining on my face as it tells me that i am still here to see another day.
If you are a dog and your owner suggests that you wear a sweater, suggest that he wear a tail.
"As for the movie, no one is going to twist anyone's arm to go see it. It's up to the individual whether they do or not. However, it is good that the information is out there for the more discriminating parent to be aware of what their children are watching and reading."
Yep, that's all I was trying to do was alert parents of content they may not have been aware of. I wasn't going to dispense my opinions until a conversation about it was started.
Amen Dusty....You said it!! So many people want to point out the negatives and dwell on those...why not point out the positives and dwell on those for a bit.... I'm blessed with my health, clean(for the most part)air to breath, food in my tummy, roof over my head, wonderful family, my vision, my hearing, having my whole body intact....that's just to name a few....i am blessed everyday that i can get up out of bed and see another day, to hear another sound and taste the sweetness that is life! Stop dwelling over the negatives, yeah everyone has them but you know....when you think about it....life is full of positives that go unnoticed.....everything happens for a reason..be it unknown to us at this time....you will know when He is ready....
I don't see what it matters anyway-from what I heard on msnbc or whatever it was that was on-its such a watered down version of the original story there is no reason to be upset unless you wanted the original message of the book in the movie.
It comes down to its a movie. I hate the veggie tales things and I deal with it. the great thing about this is if its a kids movie that means mom and dad can suck it up and control if there kids watch it or not!!
If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons -James Thurber
As the book and movie both take place in a 'fantasy' world, and is not protrayed as occuring on planet Earth, I don't see where the problem is, regardless of what drivel the author is spewing.
I've read fantasy books where gods have been born and died, been maimed by injury to the point of madness, gone insane with grief from the loss of too many worshippers, killed by young protagonists. Heck all of those things happened in one David Eddings series alone, and he's one of my all time favorite authors.
I've read other books where gods have had physical relationships with mortals, raped mortals, spawned children that ended up being demigods or trying to destroy the world. And in my lowly opinion, some of these Gods deserved killing. I even read a book once called "Towing Jehovah" about how God died and landed in the ocean, and had to be towed ashore by a supertanker and entombed before atheist extremists could destroy the body, as it's existence was incontrovergible evidence that God does/did indeed exist and the atheists didn't want people to find out. Now that was a really strange book.
All of these things happen in the books and I accept them within the context of the books because they didn't happen, they are just stories. This would be why they are called *fantasy* or *fiction* books. No one cares about those books, or says, "Dont' read that!" because of what happens in them, and why should we be any different regarding this other guy's books?
If the Author David Eddings suddenly came out and said, "Hey btw Im an athiest and when Belgarion killed Torak he was killing the oppresive Christian God." I wouldn't stop liking the books or do anything less to recommend him as an author. Anymore than I'd advise against reading Harry Potter books because J K Rowling announced that omg Dumbledore is gay! Should I tell my daughter not to read the Narnia books because Aslan slaughters the White Queen?
As it is, I have never read Phillip Pullman's books (and neither have any of you, I'll wager) so I think it's rather hypocritical to judge the content of the books without even reading past the cover, regardless of the author's beliefs. I'll read them now though, just to see what all the fuss is about, so I can be more informed. Regarding taking my daughter to see that movie, I treat it as I do all movies. My husband and I go see the movie first without our child, and then determine whether or not it is appropriate for a 6 year old child to see.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 10/30/2007 4:41:33 PM*** Reason: add
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
Hm. Let me clarify, Journey. My perspective is that the only way to stop any part of society, be it books or movies or television or people, from attempting to 'reprogram' my child (or me), be it intentionally or unintentionally, is to move to a deserted island where it's just my boring old self and my boring old husband. Everything our children see in this world influences their outlook on life. I can provide all the guidance I want, but in the long run I recognize that no matter what I want, she will eventually come to her own decision, especially when she hits the teen years, and I probably won't like all of the decisions she's made and at the same time, I respect that because certainly I've made a few bad decisions in my past as well.
Have you read the books? Have you seen the movie? If not, then how can you (or anyone else) possibly say one way or the other how bad or 'reprogramming' either is, without seeing for yourself?
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.