do you have any suggestions as to what kinda breed he should get. i was thinking a dog that would still be good with children, has an intimidating look. yet still lovable and loyal.nothing over 140 pounds and 28 inches tall. well muscled dogs i had in mind was a pit bull or rottweiler because those are common dogs but he doesn't know how they might react around kids. i need someone who knows for sure about a breed they've had experience with that can guard and has a well stable temperment with the family and friends.
Both dogs are AWSOME with kids and both are GREAT gaurd dogs. But both need ALOT of attention and training from an early age. My advice, if you want a dog, get it when it is little and start the training.
Neither are breeds I would recommend for a first time dog owner, both need a great deal of training and socialization, so keep that in mind as well. There are places that prohibit the ownership of these breeds as well, so check that out, also contact some breed rescues before buying see if there is one you can save. Both are very common breeds and are often found is shelters and rescues.
By "protection or guardian" do you mean a dog that will physically engage an intruder, or a dog who just looks intimidating and can alarm bark to scare a would be intruder away? IMO, no dog is a "natural" protector.... it must be trained, and it takes a well bred stable dog to handle the training and come out safe stable and reliable.
As has been mentioned, any of the bull or molosser breeds are not for first time dog owners, and require confident handlers and early consistent training and socialization. Also, many of the breeds have bans in certain areas or are discriminated against by home owners insurance or landlords..... make sure you check into this BEFORE aquiring a dog.
Realize that many dogs will fit into the alarm dog category... really, the Heelers (Austrailian Cattle Dogs I had were excellent guardians) So a smaller breed may fit your family better.
Make sure you go with a reputable breeder.... one who health tests and works their stock as well as offers no less than a 2 year health guarantee... a breeder who does not crank out litter after litter and truly cares about where pups are placed... make sure the dogs are registered with a reputable registry for the breed and that the breeders are in good standing with the registry, clubs and previous buyers. They should not let the pups go before 8 weeks of age and should agree to take back the pup anytime in it's life if you can no longer keep it. It's also good that they are willing to help you in raising/training your dog and want to be involved.
Lastly, many breeds can fit your description.... check out Molosserworld for a more complete list, but I am going to suggest you look into the American bulldog as well.... very good with kids and family.
Regardless, please do extensive research... guardian breeds are not for everyone, so it's important to know what to expect.
dobermans:) great with family, breed to be a protection dog specifically. Very loving with the family need consistancy and loving owner. males are 26-28 inches at the shoulder, low shedding. i have asthma as well as one of my kids too so this was important for me.
Beauty is Nice. Peace of mind is Priceless!! Solid stable temperment is EVERYTHING!!
I have dobermans and they are all of what you are looking for. However, any working dog or protection dog requires an educated owner, one who can socialize the dog, train the dog and spend time interacting with the dog constantly.
I don't know if I would suggest a "protection dog" to any first time dog owner, especially with kids in the house.
He is going to a professional trainer right? People can really ruin dogs going it alone or make a dog that is a liability. If he just wants a watch dog that is different.
Pit Bulls make horrible guard dogs!!! They are also on the smaller side for a guardian breed. Not that they don't have the physical strength to be capable. The max weight a male should be in good condition is 60lbs. They might make a good sport dog but not a real guard dog. They can be a good personal protection dog in some cases, but you have to find the right dog and trainer. That wouldn't be easy, especially if he doesn't have a lot of experience. Since Pit Bulls are not a guardian breed they are rarely bred for such a thing making it hard to find a good prospect. They have a low to non nonexistent defense drive. One thing that makes a good natural guard is defense drive. They have been bred for over a century to be people friendly. They would be more likely to lick an intruder. Probably one of the dogs most frequently stolen dogs. It is amazing how many idiots get them to guard their drugs and when the police raid there is a happy friendly dog. They can be dog aggressive but not people aggressive, dog aggression and people aggression are not related. They also might have a high prey drive, again doesn't make them harmful to people but they might want to chase small animals. They are excellent with kids, tolerant, loving, they love attention including from children. They are more of a family dog rather then a one person dog so thats a plus. There are larger "pit bulls" from mixed lines and in that case you might as well get a well bred bandog then a dog with fake pedigree represented as pure, because they are just that bandogs anyway. Bandogs make much better guardians and are also larger.
The reason I got into Boerboels and Corsos is for a dog that would be a good watchdog and guardian. Pit Bulls are just overly friendly, even with having over a dozen people don't have anything to fear from anyone of them. I've had people come into my home when I wasn't there and the UPS guy will stick the packages inside if the door is unlocked.
No matter the breed he is going to have to do research to find a good breeder. One that is breeding from working lines and proven dogs. Rottweiler could be a good choice, although they tend to be a dominant breed. Most guardian breeds do but some more then others. I would also still say a Bandog, it is going to depend on the breeding but he could get one that is less dominant and also a good family dog. Cane Corso could be another consideration, they are also great with kids, they can be dominant and a challenge at times but they are very smart and pretty trainable. Any of these dogs is going to require a lot of socialization and training. Also best to get one from a reputable breeder where temperament is concerned. He needs to be prepared. Once he decides more on a breed then he needs to do a lot of research on that breed.
I had a Rottweiler that we raised with our children. Great choice! Now my kids are older-we have a Doberman. The only thing with them is I'm not sure that I would raise one with small children around, only because they are so active. They do not realize their size and they play hard. How old are your kids?
IMO, no dog is a "natural" protector.... it must be trained,
i disagree. there are breeds out there that were bred to be guardians and need no training at all to perform this duty. in fact, your typical "guard dog" training is severely discouraged with these breeds as !. they do not need it and 2. protection is not a game with them, it is something they take seriously. the breeds i am speaking of are among the livestock guardian group of dogs. many are wonderful with children, immediate family members, and people they have grown up with or have been familiarized with.
however, with these breeds it is like renorey said .... you need to be a certain type of person in order to own one. i don't necessarily believe you must have owned a dog in the past in order to own one of these breeds, as owning a chihuahua or a shihtzu will not leave you well prepared for the challenges these dogs may introduce you to. i believe it is more beneficial to have a specific type of personality to own one of these breeds.
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Scout... there is a difference between guarding and truly protecting. By protecting, I mean actually engaging an intruder, not just putting on a show. Many of the guardian breeds will naturally alarm to an intruder, and will bark and display... that usually scares away the average intruder.... as far as actually protecting...engaging an intruder.... not many dogs have the nerve and are capable... most dogs can be scared off by objects or intimidating intruders when confronted.
Most people do not realize there is a separation between a display (a bluff by dogs to avoid an actual confrontation) and a dog who is truly protecting. Ever wonder why out of all the of dogs who are evaluated as true protection prospects only a handful actually are deemed stable and worthy? A protection dog must be trained to recognize a true threat, when and how to engage... they must be taught control.
But.... I think the OP is really only asking for a breed of dog that will alarm bark and look intimidating, not an actual protection dog. And, I would never recommend a first time dog owner take on protection training.
I will stand corrected by scout. I did grow up with dogs as a child but my first dog as an adult was a doberman and an alfa male at that. I have been around horses my entire life and have trained them so I had experience in that respect but I will admit that I did make some mistakes with my first doberman that I corrected with each dog thereafter.
What it boils down to is a working dog of any type needs to have a job and if you don't give him/her a job to do they will come up with one of their own and you probably won't like what they come up with.
You must tell these dogs what to do, not ask them and I believe if you havn't had experience in that aspect of dog handling then you should not own one of these dogs no matter what breed.
If you want a guard dog I know of a few little yappers that make a lot of noise and that in it's self could be a guard dog but it doesn't make them a protection dog and I do believe that is what I read in the original post.
My LGDs are gentle, loving and very tolerant of all things infant and toddler. They have been raised with children (from puppyhood and infancy). They are also "on guard" with any stranger, putting themselves between their "human" and what might potentially BE danger. Not aggressive, no teeth baring, no growling, no threat. Just "on guard", in case they have to be defensive and making certain that a safe distance is kept between the stranger and their human.
Since their breed will take on anything to protect it's flock, I'm thinking a human foe would not compare to a bear, mountain lion or whatever natural predator their breed has been known to take on.
Once again, as in a similar post recently, I think it's a difference between the terms "guardian" and "guard". Each breed out there has both good and bad points, depending on the situation we humans choose to put the dog into.
I grew up with a mixed collie & only heaven knows what. Micky was my constant companion and I can assure you, NO one got close to me unless Micky approved.
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Sorry for coming in a couple days late, but here's my two cents....
"IMO, no dog is a "natural" protector.... it must be trained, and it takes a well bred stable dog to handle the training and come out safe stable and reliable.
"...there is a difference between guarding and truly protecting. By protecting, I mean actually engaging an intruder, not just putting on a show."
I agree with Scout to disagree with bullymom. I'm sure that there ARE some breeds that do require training in order to truly protect. However, there are dogs that will do it "naturally" and not just for show.
I had a boxer/golden mix who would've protected me with his life. One day a man tried to steal him (first mistake). When my father asked if he could help the man, the intruder tried to play it off that he was there to get "his" dog (second mistake). When the man started yelling at my dog (third mistake)and took a swing at my dad (last straw) the dog went into protective mode. He took off at a dead run towards the intruder snarling with teeth bared and hackles raised. The man had to jump into a moving car or have teeth marks left in his leg. He also "guarded" me. There was a rapist living in the neighborhood. I don't know if the suspicious character was him or not, but for the first time in his life, the dog actually walked by my side and was very attentive to everything going on around him that did NOT have to do with squirrels. Of course, he had the intimidation down pretty pat, as he looked like a mastiff mix and weighed in around 120 and had the deepest bark you could imagine. He was a sweetheart, though and was gentle around most people. I used to take him to nursing homes a lot. He enjoyed the elderly and small children. Even in the end when he was wracked with pain he was very careful around my two little ones.
So, sorry to be long winded, there's my two cents....I'll get my change later! =o)