The Westie pups are almost 6 weeks, and I noticed tonight that some have a few groups of crusty feeling, tiny, scabby sort of bumps at the base of their fur on their neck-not a lot, just a little. You have to really look to see, but it looks a little brown, sort of like seborrhea on a person? They are going for shots and a checkup on monday, so of course I will have the vet check it out, but am wondering if anyone can give me an idea of what this is likely to be? No fleas on babies or mom, no EXCESSIVE scratching or licking, though I have noticed a few of them occassionaly scratching at the area, so I suspect it may be somewhat itching-bedding is shredded paper (not newsprint), litterbox is wood shavings, play area is concrete and disinfected daily-ideas?
More I look at it, the more it seems like cradle cap that babies get? I gave them a bath today, and a lot of the flaky stuff is now stuck in the fur, not to the skin. the skin looks fine, doesnt appear red or irritated. I tried googling this, and found a myriad of conflicting opinions, so i am still at a loss. have to wait for the vet's diagnosis I guess, but I would sure appreciate any one else's input as well. SO hoping this isn't anything serious-I have people anxiously awaiting their new puppies in a few weeks!
I wonder if it is from the pups playing and biting and scratching each other? If they draw a little blood and then it scabs over, I think it itches them as it heals. I too would be interested in what the vet says.
I pondered that too, but that wouldn't explain the crusty stuff so much-the more I read, the more I am worried it is some type of mange. SO hope it isn't. Soemone suggested the heat lamp may be drying out their skin-anybody know if that could do it? The moms don't have any skin issues, and were cultured when they came, so if it was mange, it would seem likely they would have it...but I guess there are different types of mange too, all very confusing for me.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you need to be using a heat lamp for them anymore. If they are out say in a detached garage or whatever, you may need a little bit of a heat source, but I don't think they need to have a heat lamp on them anymore. (I believe it's 2 or 3 weeks old, they can start to regulate their body temperature?) Also, I can't imagine if it's from their skin drying out, it wouldn't be everywhere on their body. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help!
Yeah, you are probably right. I took the lamp off today. We heat with a wood fireplace, and it doesnt circulate to all of the rooms real well, so I was trying to keep them from getting chilled. Going to put a space heater in the room tonight instead.
Googled pyroderma...don't think that is it, though the pictures I looked at were pretty severe cases. Kinda wish it were though, as it is treated fairly simply from what i read. There isn't any redness, and the crusts are very superficial, more flaky-you can rub them off with your finger easily, but it sticks in the fur. No pustules that I can find. I will let you know what the vet says tomorrow. My money is on Demodetic mange, ringworm or a keratizination disorder...but I am hoping I am wrong on all three! Think dry skin, think dry skin....;)
Nope, no pustules that I can see. No clue who dads are-just other Westies from the mill. Mom doesnt have allergies. The Cairn litter is also affected, which is why I am thinking some sort of parasite. No hair loss so far, just some itching and crusty stuff...it is a little greasy, which is why sebborrhea comes to mind. I dont know-got out my book of dog ailments and it looks like several things a little bit, but nothing 100%
Sounds like Staph to me. Being too dry or too much moisture in the air will cause these bumps. If not taken care of they will create the hair to fall out with in the spots. Vet medicated shampoo-antibac, antifungal. Also, Clavimox drops will take care of the issue. **always consult a vet!
Why is it-you can meet a stranger on the streets and start sharing your stories about each others dogs and leave that same street friends?? They are like a bag of Chips-You can't just have one!!!
Staph...hmmmm...one of the adult Cairns from the mill had a staph infection on its feet that we treated with antibiotics. Could mom have brought in the staph from living with the infected Cairn and given it to the puppies, even though she hasn't shown any signs of infection? Just wondering where they would pick up staph from otherwise...? A few of them did make one trip to the vets office two weeks ago, but I disinfected the table and everything before I even took them out of their carrier, then put them right back in...could it have come from there? or does it just sort of hang around anywhere? Sorry, not too up on my germs...
Hmmm....just read about something called milk rash, and it is common in weaning age pups, results in thin brown crusts or scabs and sticks to the fur...kinda sounds like it too....I realize all of this hypothesizing is pointless since I should find out for sure tomorrow, but it is bugging me no end and I am trying to distract myself with a nice, simple diagnosis that wont make MY hair fall out...lol Thanks for all of your help!
It sounds a lot like Staph, and if so, is easy to get rid of. The vet will give you antibiotics, and you can scrub them with a mild antiseptic shampoo, with a soft brush, to get the stickiest spots. Neither manges look like what you're describing, but since they came fron a mill, I would guess staph,it's also common in hot humid areas, and actually everywhere. As the former poster said, that's my guess, and will be interested to know. He could just say dermatitis too, but I doubt it.
I hope that is it then! It is mostly on the back of the neck, and a little on the trunk area-very few on the stomach area, none on the legs or face-and from what I read on mange that is usually face, ears, inner thighs and abdomen, right? So that didn't quite line up...
EWEWEWEW....IT'S LICE!!!!! Chewing lice to be specific. I am SO grossed out. Blech. Most likely one of the other mill dogs had some eggs that we missed when we combed them for it, and that is all it took. The good news is, we got some Revolution for it, and we caught it very early so the vet thinks it should clear up quickly and with no problem. Sooo...the crusty crap was the chewed up skin, in case you are wondering. Horrible, nasty little vile bugs!!!
Yeah...my sentiments exactly. The good news is, if you can call it that...this particular lice doesn't affect people, only dogs and cats, and it doesn't live off its host. So, aside from shampooing the carpets and washing everything the dogs came in contact with and treating my dogs and cats, we don't have to do too much. Oh, except for pay the vet $400 for the 24 doses of Revolution and his time. Don't have to burn the house down anyway. Still, so yucky. I keep imagining creepy crawlies all over me. I am clean! This isn't supposed to happen to me! I....have...COOTIES... Sigh....
Yeah, it is alot funnier now than it was this morning. Trying to have a sense of humor to keep from going crazy.