Jerry, you're going to have to choose between being obnoxious and being prissy. Nobody can pull off both at once, and you are no exception. Remember, OP asked that we consider this election from the perspective of pet owners, who are very down-to-earth people when it comes to natural functions.
Well what an... interesting thread. I plan on voting for Hillary Clinton in the Indiana primaries if she sticks in it that long. I know a lot but people in my age group (18-30) are leaning towards Obama but I really just don't get it. His speeches I do not find so "inspirational" that I must blindly cast by ballot his way. Even if I found them so inspiring, I don't trust someone who views the world through such rosey-colored glasses to effect major change. Diplomacy is great, but it isn't a be-all-end-all. I don't plan on voting for him because he "has a dream." He's not even completed a full term as a junior senator, for pity's sake. And over the past year of service he's been campaigning! I know next to nothing about what he's been able to do in congress, except vote with the majority of other democrats, including Clinton, certainly nothing that makes him stand out and shine. I find it awfully convinient that he wasn't in congress when it came to vote on whether to give the PRESIDENT the power to decide to go to war, who knows how he would have voted if he were there at that time. And he himself admitted in 2005 (after his elecetion to congress, after 9/11 and after we were in Iraq) the HE didn't believe that he would have the experience to run for president in 2008. And I find it remarkable that in the last decade, Bill Clinton was fed to the wolves for "not inhaling" that mary jane, but scant years later a man who had a history of hard drug use - and admits to it in a best-selling published book! - is a major contender for the presidency! WTF? In short, I find his campaign to be full of words- hollow sounding at that. For this reason I just don't trust him. I'm not certain how great Hillary would be, but I might not get the chance to vote for her anyway. McCain I would not vote for, just because I can not vote for a republican unless and until they seperate themselves from their conservative "family values" esp. when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. But I feel like if it had to be a republican McCain isn't a bad choice. I don't agree with his social policies, but as a person, with his POW status, he at least has my respect and that's better than the current president has.
Rainbowzoo, if I was working on the Hillary campaign and wanted to appeal to younger voters, I think I'd put out a campaign button that just says "Bitches Get Stuff Done." Everyone who watches SNL would get it immediately.
Rainbow..I am going to have to agree with you..however, I am unfortunately in the next higher age bracket (cute huh). I am voting for Clinton and did in the Ohio Primary. Should Obama win the Democratic side, I will vote for McCain. I don't feel Obama has America's best interest at heart. I can't believe I voiced my opinion. I usually stay out of poitical discussions. Way too much controversy...oh well. I know there are a lot of Ohioan's that feel the same way I do.
Ok, you guys think it's funny, whatever. But as for JoanEK's "natural" argument, it just doesn't hold water. A lot of things are "natural." Nudity is natural. Doesn't mean people should go streaking through town. It's a "natural" inclination to strike someone if they make you boiling mad. It's called, plain and simple, self control and common decency to refrain from these "natural" urges. And JoanEK, please read my post about Oback Baroma, or whatever his name is. I answered your question, and explained a bit more about what I think of him and his pastor.
Jerry, maybe you and I don't mean the same thing by "answer," or "explanation." What I read was you offering your own interpretation of something you admit you don't remember clearly, either the wording or the context or where you saw it, or what part of Obama's belief system (religious or political) he was talking about. And that is what you used to make your case. I'm sure your passion will ring true with some folks who already agree with you, but changing peoples' minds is hard work. What's obvious to you and what's obvious to me are very different. Which is maybe part of what Lucky Lady meant when she talked about the futility of debating.
***Edited By: JoanEK on 3/22/2008 10:53:20 AM*** Reason: deleted a sentence.
Actually, fun fact, Clinton will be in town tomorrow morning having breakfast at a local restaurant. Perhaps I will go have a looksie if I can pull my butt outta bed early enough... not much exciting ever happen around here.
So I did get up this morning and go see Hillary Clinton. Wasn't able to get into the resterant where the meet and greet took place, that only had room for 150 people; people started lining up at 2am to get in. But they played audio outside and afterward there was a short speech out where the rest of us were gathered, and I did get a space along the partition, so after the speech I was amoung the few who got a handshake. I'll post a link to the pictures, which I know isn't nearly as exciting to look at, but I think its cool today I may have shook hands with the first female president of the USA.