I called and spoke with a trainer today about Diesel. I am going to put him in training. She asked me what I was doing with him while I am gone. I said Oh He is crate trained. She nearly had a heart attack. She said Crate training breaks there spirit. That it ruins a good dog. know most people on here have crate trained dogs. Do any of you have issues with your dogs. I have heard she is a little over the top about her training.
Does she just not know what she is talking about? Or am I ruining Diesel's Spirit? Diesel likes his crate. Should I stop crating him? She ruins a doggy daycare and suggested I put him in there with her. Is she just wanting my business for the daycare? I am really confused now
If we ban Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are humans some dont like next ?
I think that what you think is best for your dog, is what you should be doing. There are so many people and just that many opinions on what is right and wrong when training your animals. There are people who believe that you should never hit a dog, whereas others do use spankings as a form of discipline, just like they would their own children. (Obviously, not abuse! )
IMO, I do not think crate training breaks their spirit, I believe when they are puppies that is their SAFE haven. Their spot to go to lay down, just like we have beds. However, I have never crated my dogs as a means of discipline. My dogs are all crate trained and would be fine in a kennel for example for boarding. But once they are past the age when they can do damage to my home, ie they are trained, I don't crate them, more because I don't have room for 4 huge crates, but they do have their own beds. My youngest dog, at 6 months is still in a crate, and he doesn't have a problem with it, especially considering that the other 3 are "free" I tell him to "GO HOME" when we leave or at night and he just walks right in there.
I don't necessarily think she is trying to get your business (although, obviously that would be a nice little perk!) but that SHE may honestly believe that that is what happens when you crate train.
Breaks their spirit? Okkkk yeah tell that to Ridd*ck and his sister Elly :) Their spirits are FAR from being broken.
As crating uses a natural instinct of both wild and domesticated canids (denning) I can't see how it breaks their spirit. I think she just wants your business :P In fact, if she has such weird ideas about crate training, I have to wonder what other weird ideas regarding training she has.
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
Crate training does not break their spirits. Crating a dog day and night except to potty will break its spirit but then, that is abuse not training. Dogs love their crates and consider them their own private space.
My dogs enjoy their crates inside. If I don't watch them outside, in every season but winter when the ground is frozen, they dig 'dens' in the hillside that is fenced in. Even though they have plenty of shade and a dog house.
It is a very natural instinct.
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Everyone has their own opinions...it doesn't make them an idiot. I have a friend who has never crate trained her dogs and they are housebroken and very well behaved but are full of doggy spirit! Some trainers may suggest segregating the puppy to the kitchen and increasing its space as it matures and is housetrained. I think as long as you are patient and consistent, either method will work. However, if you do crate train, even though it may be a dog's instinct to have a safe haven, your dog must believe it to be a positive place to be. So never use the crate or whereever you segregate him, as a punishment. Never bang on the crate either. I think it will break his spirit if it's used in a negative way and if you leave him in the crate for too long. My home may be my safe haven but if I'm in it for too long, I would go nuts!
In order to really enjoy a dog, one doesn't merely try to train him to be semi human. The point of it is to open oneself to the possibility of becoming partly a dog. ~Edward Hoagland
I work from my house, as I read your thread and post my response, Charlie, is in his crate snoozing. He could be anywhere in the house but he is choosing to snooze in his crate in my office. Is his spirit broke? Heck no!!
You do what you feel comfortable with.
I like him a lot better than I like most people. To you he's a dog. TO me he's an adopted son who is short, hairy, walks on all fours and doesn't speak clearly. I have no problem with any of these. <
I would think your dog would be able to give the true answer to the crate question. If you leave the door open when you are home, does he go into the crate to lie down?
If he viewed it as punishment, don't think that would happen. Sort of like a child going to stand in the corner if he doesn't have to. That or whatever the parents have decided to use for "time out" as a form of punishment for misdeeds.
Perhaps she's well intentioned, but a bit misguided? Maybe she feels no dog should ever be left on it's own?
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
Rocky's crate is in the kitchen door open. He normally sleeps on a dog bed near our bed, but if he is stressed, really tired, or if we have a lot of company, he disappears and sure enough there he is in his crate curled up on his bed.
I think a dog will find a "safe" place for themselves, whether or not its a crate, a hole in the side of a hill, under an outside deck, etc.
As others have said, you do what makes you and your pup happy, YOU are the one living with the dog, not the trainer.
Good luck, I'm sure you and your pup will be fine!
Thanks you have all been really helpful. Yes he does go and lay in his crate. It is in the kitchen and the door is open all the time. When I crate trained him I gave him "crate toys". Something he loved but only got in the crate. He know loves his crate. Oh and I am looking for another trainer.
If we ban Pit Bulls and Rottweilers are humans some dont like next ?
Both of my dogs are crate trained and it hasn't done anything to dampen their high spirits. I would have to say that we were skeptical about it at first. The first crate we bought for Albie was way too big, meant for a 100+ size dog, when he was a 5 lb puppy who would never be over 30 lbs, because we felt so horrible about keeping him crated at night or while we were gone. Then we started having problems with housebreaking... so we got a size appropriate crate and suddenly the den instinct kicked in and he started to learn to hold it in his crate. Not only that, but now when he's tired he goes to his crate to nap without prodding. He also goes there on his own to hide toys and rawhides and when he is stressed or afraid or needs a break from his new sister. He definately considers it "his" own space and I think its benefical for him to have that comfort zone. After he was housebroken and earned our trust to not chew on anything or harm the cats while we were gone, we decided to try penning him in the kitchen with a baby gate instead of crateing him, and he would have none of it. He started showing signs of seperation anxiety, howling, destructive behavior and the like, tore the baby gate down and etc., even with his crate in the kitchen with him door opened. In the crate, he mostly sleeps or plays with a toy or rawhide while we're gone without a peep outta him. So we consider it his decision to be crated while we are gone! Plus we know that at the vets or groomers he'll not be stressed out when kenneled, we can use it to safely travel in the car, in an emergency evacutaion, to spend the night at "grandma's" house, he's comfortable if his crate is there.
Crate training can ruin a dog's spirit, if you train like a moron. I really think this lady is being manipulative to get you to use her doggy day care. First, us dog people have HUGE hearts...and couple that with a lack of knowledge. We can be very easily tricked into feeling guilty.
All these dogs, I know personlly, the last dog is me and my dog. She is crate trained. Never in my life have I met a dog, whom has had more spirit, and the crate has been an integral part of preserving her spirit. Anyone with a half a brain can use the crate as a humane and extremly effective tool. You can see these dogs have a high level of obedience, the crate...My most important tool. It allows me to control what the dog learns, thus reducing the amount adverse training I have to use (adverse is much more damaging to the spirit). Now if that trainer can show you OB half that good witout using a crate, my hat is off to her.
I believe a dog's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment he holds dear, is when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle-with a ball in his mouth."
There are people here who show, and go to various competition. What good would they be if their spirit was btoken. It's a ridiculous statement. That was an interesting clip Gunny, I'd like to see more of what your dogs do!