I have a year and a half old German Sheperd, We bred her with a full blooded german sheperd as well she gave birth well. tearing the sak and cleaning the pups. she was very proud to show them off to us And was loving and caring to the pups letting them nurse for 12 hours. we checked her at 3AM and she was still nursing the pups. At 6:30AM i went to check her and the pups, and she had killed them all 12 of them, I could only identify 4 whole pups out of the 12, and three piles of chewed up. The mother dog was acting like nothing had happened. I pulled her out of the pin. and she gave birth to two more pups that were still born they came out at the same time. they had probably been in her birth canal since about 8 pm the night before. See when the 12th. pup was born the mother was so week she couldn't push the sak all the way out we pulled it for her and she cleaned it up. after that she did not show any signs that there where any more pups in her nor have anymore contractions. the mother has never been violent or showed any signs of being mean she has always been well taken care of. her Whelping nest was in a quiet place with no other animals around. I am confused why she would do this to her own pups and concerned with a newborn baby coming into our home in less than a month that she would try something with our baby should i get rid of her? her temperment has always been good up until now. I know she needs to be fixed never bred again. Do you think i should get rid of her, she has been a family member to us. Can any one help will she be jealous and harm my child?
Can I ask why you bred the bitch at the age of a year and a half? She was not old enough to have her OFA test done, and not mature enough to have a litter. I'm very sorry that this happened, but unfortunately breeding dogs is not a cake walk, and should not be undertaken lightly. Is your dog AKC registered? No, there are no worries about your baby,she will very likely be a protective happy family pet. I would take her to the vet, to see if she is retaining any placentas, or any more puppies.
Dog's have great instincts and can tell when something is wrong with a pup in the litter and often times will kill them. Perhaps that was the case here, but with the whole litter, and the two that were born later were most likely dead because they had been trapped in there for so long. don't breed any dog again without proper knowledge and testing done FIRST!
Its realy hard to go threw something like this. It was the most devastating thing I have seen. It's not like we went into this blind, She was not to young her mother was the same age the first time she had a litter. We have talked to a few differant vets in our area and they have no clue Why she would do this. they all have said they can see her doing it when she first has the pups but that it is uncommon for her to take care of them for twelve hours and then kill them. but we did ask a lot of questions befor we bred her. We took her to the vet and made sure everything was ok with her we made sure she was not in the same blood line as the male we bred her with. She was so proud of her pups and then she did this out of the blue. so If anyone has been threw this before please write us and help us understand. It just seems like she snapped. I can not get the picture of what she did out of my head. thank you.
Personally I think she was too young, because at 1.5 she can not have been cleared of health problems. But I would spay her, unless you would like to relive the experience because there is a good chance she would do it again IMO.
There are several things that could explain this including too young and stupid. Malnutrition, feeling threatened, hormone imbalance, crowded, just plain neurotic or a learned behavior.
If she is indeed the potential producer of potential multi BIS winning puppies, the next winner of Westminster then it might be worth synchronizing her with another female and fostering her next litter (complicated, expensive and frequently not successful). You could try muzzling her until the puppies wean but it will mean not being to leave her alone for 6 weeks, no work no fun just you, mom and the puppies.
If she isn't the potential producer of the next superdog perhaps everyone concerned would be happier if she was spayed.
Just because her mom was bred too young, is not reason to assume that it was OK to breed her too young as well. A GSD does not physically mature until minimum of 2 years of age. This is the earliest hips and elbows can be OFA certified, which is very important in this particular breed. Also just because a dog is physically able to produce a litter of puppies does not mean she is mentally ready to care for them. You said you did not go into this blind. But in many ways you did. You did not have the proper health screenings done prior to breeding. You said you bred to a totally unrelated male, which is considered an out crop breeding. Out crop breedings should be left to someone with a life time of experiance and full knowledge of pedigrees and bloodlines. You did not have her X-rayed prior to whelping or a post whelping X-ray to check to see how many pups she was carrying or if there were any retained puppies. This is not a female I would ever consider breeding again, but I don't think she would not be a suitable companion for your family. Sorry you had to experiance such a horrific ordeal.
As to why, it could have been many different things. Sometimes dogs will eat their pups out of stress or fear.
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I'm really very sorry you had to suffer through this but, truly, your "little girl" was far too young to breed. As someone else on here often points out, it would be like a 15 year old girl giving birth. Just because they're physically capable does not mean they're mentally mature enough to handle the stress involved. No one here is trying to be deliberately cruel but you asked what could have gone wrong & we're telling you.
It's actually very fortunate that you didn't lose "mama", too, with the two stillborn pups stuck in the birth canal! They, too, may have been causing "mama" pain, or at the very least a great deal of confusion, so she lashed out at her other puppies in an effort to cope.
She was also carrying 14 puppies - a huge litter by any standard, which means a huge drain on mom's physical health throughout her pregnancy. She shouldn't have been left alone either, since had she given birth to 14 live puppies (or even with the 12 live ones she did give birth to), you should have been with her to supplement their feedings or rotate their turn with "mama".
I hope "mama" was getting comprehensive vet care during her entire pregnancy (in which case you would have had a very good idea of the size of the litter she was carrying), but regardless, if your vet said she could be bred at only 18 months old & if the vet didn't explain to you the importance of OFA testing & other extensive testing (far more than a "vet check" involves), I'd be looking for a new vet! And I hope "mama's" been thoroughly checked out & given a clean bill of health by a (hopefully new) vet following this disastrous whelp.
Again, I'm really very sorry you had to go through this but I think, considering all the other things you said about "mama", she was just too young, too confused, & too stressed (& she was alone & frightened), to birth babies &, after getting her spayed, she should continue to be a very loving member of your family.
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That was my thought, that the two stillborn puppies may have had something to do with it. She must have been in some kind of destress because stillborn or not they shouldn't have taken that long to come out. They may have been alive and got stuck and that could've caused pain, confusion, stress, and anxiety. It could also be that she was young, she was not that that young though. There are plenty of dogs out there that get loose and get knocked up on their first cycle and they become perfect mothers. So her being young is not the only answer or even the most likely answer. Its true she should not have been left alone though, not until you wer sure she was finished delivering and they should've been checked on every 2 hours since it was such a huge litter. You were most likely going to need to supplement them. Does a GS even have 12-14 nipples?? i'm used to small breeds that only have 8 and the top two never get used.
Her last pup was born at eight P.M. and we stayed with her tell midnight. and also checked on her at three A.M. And found them dead at Six thirty A.M. We did bottle feed four of her smaller pups that we did not think would get to nurse but let them stay with her to stay warm. She nursed them all night and was doing so good. Never giving us a sighn that she did not want them nor that she still had pups in her. She just looked tiered. She was looking for her pups all night like she did not know what happened to them, but today she seams a little better. We are going to get her fixed and hope that it will help her get over her pups. We only planed on letting her have one litter any way. We just wanted to let her know how it was to be a mom. Thank all of you for your view on this.
I think everyone else pretty much covered why this could have happened. Sometimes we just don't know why a bitch would do this to her own litter. Its best to just spay her and say a lesson learned.
Now to touch on the other part of your first post that I have not seen anyone mention. You do not have to get rid of your female because of this. Chances are quite high that she is of no threat your soon to be child. Just because she killed her litter (for whatever reason) does not mean she will do the same to your child. Just spay her and love her and I think everything will be alright.
I am sorry you experienced this. I don't breed, so i couldn't begin to know why she would hurt her pups, but I am sorry it happened. i'm sure it was traumatic for all involved, including the mother. We had a finch when i was a kid who would mate with one of the finches, have healthy babies, and then would kill them. It happened 3x before my mom finally split all the females from the males. The vet couldn't tell us why it happened either. I think sometimes there just isn't an explanation as to why the mother has the instinct to kill her young, but it happens and i guess it's a risk you take breeding any animal. I'm sorry for your loss and i hope you continue to love the mommy and keep her as a part of your family.
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I don't think her age had much to do with why she killed her babies. I am sure many people involved in rescue can tell you of dogs UNDER a year that have successfully raised puppies and were good mothers.
If that happened to me though, I wouldn't breed that girl again. Ick. She should be spayed. Some dogs are good mothers, some aren't but they can't get much worse than killing all their babies on purpose.
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I do not believe there was anything wrong with the pups. I believe your female simply is not a good mother. It happens and is always tragic. However, you honestly should never have left her alone. I know this is hindsight, but I sleep with my litters for at least the first 2 weeks. I stay home from work and keep a complete vigilance over the pups and momma. Pups can get squished or smothered if you are not there to watch. They can get stepped on. Momma can have problems that need to be tended to immediately.
A woman I knew years ago left her newly whelped litter to go out and have dinner with her husband. A few hours later she returned to find the pups nursing on a dead mom. She had started to hemorage (sp?) and bled out. No one was there so watch her and she died. The guilt this woman felt was enormous. Her life could have been spared had someone been there to rush her to emergency once the bleeding started. As others stated, 1.5 years is far too young to responsibly breed a GSD.
My opinion is this will have nothing to do with how your young female relates to your family. But it has everything to do with her mother instincts. Were she my female, I would have her spayed and count my blessings she is still alive. Mother Nature can be very cruel. It is always best to not leave everything in her hands.
i dont think shes mean if shes your family pet that you guys love you shouldnt get rid of her. but i think it could of been because she was to young and not ready i never herd of a dog doing that i remeber when i was little and i had a hamster it ate all her babys
I had a Sheltie we got her as a 8 week old. At the age of 5, neighbors male broke into the garage and bred with her. She was very much our family pet. Slept with the kids, did night patrol, when one of us were sick she wouldn't leave our side. I did in home daycare during these years and if a child cried she would go get a toy, blankie, whatever she thought would soothe the child. When she got tired of the kids she would go in her kennel and pull the door shut. This dog was fabulous. Helping 5 infants learn to walk by holding on to her. Anyway we took her to the vet had her checked out everything was fine. She had 5 beautiful pups. No problems. She had the pups in my sons room so thats where we left her. Four days later my son went to spend the night at a friends house. When I went in at 12 to check 2 of the pups were out of the whelping box. Didn't think to much about it put them back with her and they started nursing everything seemed fine. Put her out to potty went back to bed, hubby woke me up at three asking where the pups were? We searched that whole house and never found a sign of a pup. She would have had to have eaten them. The only thing the vet could figure was she was so much a part of us and my son being gone made her angry/nervous she decided to get rid of them so she could go back to her family.