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Help with my Odie
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Posted: 10:41:21 PM 3/27/2008
I have two 5yr old papillons, they are my babies
We do eveything together walks, bike rides, family events, etc.
But I have a major issue with the male (Odie), he started urinating in his crate about 5 months ago and now he is pooping in it too!

There have been no changes in our home, he has a clean bill of health and he has been house broken for years. I have had them both since they were 4 months old, they came from different homes but are brother and sister now. They used to sleep together in their crate (they are only in there at night, and let out just before bed) but I had to remove Tink (female) due to the issue. Bathing him and cleaning out his bed is a very time consuming daily issue, I have tried setting an alarm and taking him out during the night, but he has usually already urinated in his bed. I do not know what is going on, nobody not even the vets know what to do.
It is breaking my heart, I do not know what to do so if anyone has any answers or can help please, please let me know. I would greatly appericiate it!


P.S. I have had dogs my whole life, many different breeds from large to small but have never seen or heard of this.
Minniyar
Posted: 12:38:35 AM 3/28/2008
next time please post this just one time under one subject, don't the same topic under 3 different categories :P

***Edited By: Minniyar on 3/28/2008 12:38:52 AM***
Reason: add
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
mafiaprincess
Posted: 12:18:03 PM 3/28/2008
Start by removing the bedding till the issue is resolved. Having something to absorb the pee may encourage him to keep doing it as he isn't standing it.

What did the vet do to decide on a clean bill of health? a 5 yr old who suddenly can't hold it day or night still sounds potentially medical.
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jackie17
Posted: 3:30:26 PM 3/28/2008
I'm with Mafia on this one. Doesn't sound normal, something like this just doesn't "pop" up suddenly. You say there is no change at home, so I would lean toward medically. Did your vet do any bloodwork? One thing that comes to mind with the urinating is bladder stones, kidney stones/failure, or as simple as a urinary tract infection.

I would recommend another visit to the vet and have some blood work done just to rule something serious out.

Just wondering, if they are both out of their crates during the day, (I assume in the back yard, house, etc.) then why do you crate them when you are home?


Good Luck.
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labduke
Posted: 4:17:42 PM 3/28/2008
Well, first off, if the dog was originally house broken, then he most likely is not doing this voluntarily - especially if he does this when nobody is around (meaning not related to jealousy.) It is most likley due to a medical problem.
You should make sure that the crate is only large enough for him to stand in, get up and turn around. This is ideal when crate training cause dogs will not want to soil their sleeping areas.

If you do this, make sure that you put the crate right where you are sleeping at night, so you will hear his cries that he needs to go out at night. Let him out right away to take care of his business.

This will keep your crate situation under control but if he has to go all the time in the middle of the night perhaps he has a problem with being able to hold it at all due to something medical. At least this way you can tell if he is trying to control it or if he just doesnt care.
Posted: 10:18:52 PM 3/29/2008
next time please post this just one time under one subject, don't the same topic under 3 different categories :P

what does "don't the same topic under 3 different catergories" mean i ready that like 10x and can't understand
Minniyar
Posted: 11:31:54 PM 3/29/2008
It means this topic's author made the exact same post 3 times. In 3 different categories, (Dog talk, dog training and dog medical problems). I deleted two of them, and left this one for people to respond to her questions and concerns.
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
dusty082155
Posted: 11:50:32 PM 3/29/2008
" what does "don't the same topic under 3 different catergories" mean i ready that like 10x and can't understand "

Okay RKJ84. I cant understand your reply. What is it that you "ready" ? After "reading" that like 10 times. i still couldnt understand it. Next time when you are trying to point out anothers mistake, maybe you should be more mindful that you too are only human..........
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Posted: 1:14:04 AM 3/30/2008
By any chance is he going to bed early? My mom hand that problem. She had to wake the dog up to go out before she went to bed at night. She went to bed at 11:30pm, but the dog went to bed at 9pm. He was ready to go out about 1am and he had a hard time waking her up.

(My dogs occasionally do that as well. They go to bed at 9:30pm. I sometimes stay up. When I babysit for my nephew I can always point at the sleeping dogs and how nicely they went to bed on time and that he should do the same. )

Is he going for walks and pooping then? My dogs poop more on walks than in the yard. Try keeping track of his bathroom habits. What goes in must come out. Any change in feeding? or dog food recipe? Fewer or shorter walks due to weather? Less play time inside or out? More naps during the day? There has been a change, however minor that you haven't noticed yet. Has there been a change in people in the house? My dogs get somewhat loose stool and an increase in gas when my nephew is there, because he feeds them junk or drops food that is less healthy. He also let my male dog lick his face, and inside his mouth so I am sure the extra germs didn't help my dog any.

If he is not having accidents all day long, it isn't as likely to be medical. Have him checked for diabetes if you want.
pyrmom
Posted: 6:27:17 AM 3/30/2008
I tried to send this via PM, not working. I said I was going to let Minniyar (whom you insulted) &/or LPN (who spotted the troll post) take care of this, I lied. I am tired of folks thinking that they have every right to trash the mods or to take umbrage at any comment made to them.

OP, I understand you were not happy when Minniyar advised you (politely) of forum protocol. Posting the same topic in three sections could be considered spamming the boards (a no-no) had you persisted.

However, creating a troll user name and posting rude and offensive comments is a good way to find yourself banned from this forum.

Please be aware that you agree to the forum rules before you post. One of those rules is to respect mods.

Also be aware that mods can see all posters' IP numbers, so we know when a pesron is hiding behind an alias. Enjoy the forum, but remember, this isnt your own private playground with your own set of rules.

You might consider a much needed apology to Minnyar while you're at it.

***Edited By: pyrmom on 3/30/2008 6:36:29 AM***
Reason: *
"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful".
Posted: 9:41:01 PM 3/30/2008
" what does "don't the same topic under 3 different catergories" mean i ready that like 10x and can't understand "

Okay RKJ84. I cant understand your reply. What is it that you "ready" ? After "reading" that like 10 times. i still couldnt understand it. Next time when you are trying to point out anothers mistake, maybe you should be more mindful that you too are only human..........

Actually I wasn't trying to point out a mistake, I really didn't understand what that meant, sorry
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