I posted here before asking questions about mating my shih tzu and got some negative comments back. Expecially about how I needed to do research etc... I didn't like it as I DID do my research and have talked with both my vets, but am just a worry wart, so just wanted to get advice from other breeders.
Anyways, Dixie is now PREGNANT.. she's due to whelp in 2-3weeks. April 13th is her due date if she caught on the first breeding. She had 6 successful ties over a week. A possible over kill on mating, but it gave our male plenty of experience.
Puppies now can be felt moving around, mom is doing wonderful. She still looks rather small, but I've never seen a pregnant dog before so as for size goes I have no experience in that.
I'm only posting now to give everyone a update that everything is going amazing, and I'm very excited for the puppies to arrive. I have over 10 homes lined up already that I've pre-screened and called vet as well as personal references. I however only am expecting 3 puppies.
I'll have to continue to update as the days come near, and once puppies are whelped!
IlovemyShihTzus, the vet was wrong when he told you that it is ok to mate your dogs 6 times, just for practice. First of all, That would really tire out your male, and it would lower his sperm count, with each succesive tie after about the third one, which is the most I will do. The male needs to recoup after a breeding. I'm pretty sure , if you talk to some other breeders they will give you the same answer. I wish you luck with your babies.
I was going to say the same thing as pen, the breeder who I delt with the most breeds her dogs 3 times over 4 days, with about 36 hours rest in between. Six days in a puppy's growth cycle is huge, and if the little whelps when the first pups are due you can have some really small ones, if they wait until the last one concieved are due then your bitch may have trouble whelping the larger pups. I hope you have a couple grand set aside for a c-section.
I've talked with numous different breeders, even at the Dog Shows and got all the same advice to give my male a 24hr brake and let him get experience as long as my female is still willing.
I also heard the same from two different vets at two different clinics. How is it that I havn't learned anything? I did my work, and asked numerous breeders and my trusted vets. Also, different books and sites on the internet I've read have this same information.
I do have money set aside for if a c-section is needed.
If you gave your dog a 24 hour break in between breedings, that means you bred your female over a 6 day period. That just does'nt make sense to me.I don't know the Shih Tzu breed very well; so perhaps I'm the one who is wrong.
I agree with you PEN, I have been breeding dogs for almost 17yrs, and I never heard of letting them tie 6 times. Much less in a row. I know a breeder that burned her male out breeding to 3 bitches over the corse of 4days. His sperm count was 0. I breed mini aussies, and had bred full sized aussies before. I was always told to do 2 breeding, do 1 skip a day and then breed again.
I hope to god that those shih tzu pups were all fert. on the same. I cant imagine the horror of having some born 6 days premie and dying.
New vet and mentor perhaps? I cant imagine you truly spoke with this many people and all gave the wrong advice.
I hope the whelp goes well with no compications. If the people you have helping were this mis-informed with simply breeding, I would be worried using them for help with complications to the whelp and puppies if any are sick.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
The others who responded to your post are correct.
The last breeding I did was with one of my pit bulls and a friends male. We bred them in the wee morning hours (4 am) part because he was working nights then, and also because if you breed them in the heat of the day, you take a risk of hurting your male, or even causing "heat stroke" so to say. We bred them a total of 4 times. This is because they didn't tie, and needed help from my husband and our friend. The 2nd time we did this, there wasn't much sperm that our female got so we did it again.
Ruffian is correct, I know from experience with this same litter. Because we bred them that many times, she had the litter 64 days from the first breeding. Well, she also whelped 2 dead pups. I belive this is our fault because of the number of breedings we did. We spaced them out to give the male a break, didn't do this every morning.
I wish you luck with the puppies, but I have to say, I am worried.
<< but am just a worry wart, so just wanted to get advice from other breeders. >>
Fair enough. It looks like you have gotten advice from other breeders. However, you are now completely dismissing them all claiming you already have been told you are doing the right thing.
You said you were told negative things before and are upset you are still being told negative things. So why keep asking the questions? You allowed your poor female to bred over and over and over and over again but claim this was to give your male experience. I agree with the poster that stated this is in error.
You claim several vets and several breeders told you that you were right. But you just heard from several folks here that said this was not correct.
Did you come back here to post about the breeding as a type of "See, I did it regardless what you all said". Or perhaps as a type of advertisement hoping to find puppy buyers here?
A true plea for help would have listened to those offering advice and not dismissed them so readily. It appears you already have the answers you want. They just are not the correct answers :(
I was not looking for answers, I'm excited for the puppies to arrive! I just wanted to share my excitment with others.
This is in no way an advertisment, as I had mentioned before I already have numerous homes lined up that I have carefully checked out to be sure they were safe and good homes.
I'm not saying my vets, mentor, and other breeders ive speaked with are the only right people, I just find it odd now that I'm getting this new and different advice from others...but, it's good to know for if we plan to breed again in a year or two.
If you did your research you would know that to be sure of the number of fetus in her you should get an ultra sound at around the 45 day. This will insure that you don't assume her to be done and end up with a pup stuck inside and lose the bitch and pup. I have been researching and studying breeding for 2 years and just had my first litter (with an experienced bitch) I still was unprepared for the complications that arose from this mating.
Pomeranians are like potatoe chips you cant have just one.
Yes, I do know that a ultra sound and xray is needed. However I live in a small community, and the only local vet here his machines are down. This was very unexpected and he's working on getting them up and running asap.
Next nearest vet is over 3hrs away. I have a vet there too, but we can't even drive 10mins without Dixie throwing up everywhere. A 3hr+ drive would do her more harm then good.
Anyways, I'm sorry I even bothered posting to give everyone an update. I feel as if everyone is pinning this on ME as a bad pet owner. I did my research, I asked my vets, I asked my mentor, and I asked many other shih tzu breeders, I also spent hours reading the recommended books and websites. This is where I got my information from, I believe I've done everything right from the information I got.
Yes, I have learned some new information from some of the posts here, and of course I'll be questioning the people I had previously talked with about it.
I honestly am not ragging on you I just know from very recent experience that you think you are prepared and are ready, but bad things happen, even to the most experienced. I also must say most of the people on here are only looking out for the dog and are not going to spare words to the person, and yes you are responsible you allowed the mating for your own reasons, what ever they are. I am not for or against you I am concerned for the dog. PLEASE do not assume anything, if this is a pet you would not want to lose her.
Pomeranians are like potatoe chips you cant have just one.