I am so excited, I am expecting my first litter of Mini Aussies. I raised regualar Australian Shepherds for year. After my back went out, and my last big girl (my soul mate) passed I decided to get into the smaller cousins. I can not wait. Angel is due May 8th, and starting to show. I cant wait to hear the pitter patter of little paws again. This should be a great litter, I researched for almost a year to find a male that would be a great match. Just had to brag
They are a breed hello. Shows what you know. They are registared and showed in many different areas of canine sports. all 3 of mine have points toward a championship in confirmation. and they are shown in Herding. Maybe you should think about a little research before you make your statments. Do you think every breed started out as AKC and went from there. how stupid is that. In Fact australian shepherd were not allowed into AKC until the early 90's. So does that mean they were not a breed until then? In fact the girl I have expecting is AKC registared, so do you feel stupid now?
So are several 10 lb yorkies, breeding out of standard dogs does not make them a "new breed". Hell I can find several "cockapoos" who's parents are AKC registered. With as many dogs are being killed in shelters every year, we need to STOP creating BS "breeds".
And no I do not "feel stupid" because you are breeding out of standard Aussies that is your issue not mine.
Illusionminis, I have done a bit of research on your dogs, and it seems to be quite a rigorous undertaking to breed them. Do you still have to hand in 3 generations of proof of parentage to register the puppies in the Rare Breed Club? I did'nt know they are AKC registered, do you know if they're recognized by the Canadian Kennel Club?
Yea, Pen..they are registered as Reg Australian Shepherds. Bred under the standard then called mini aussies by the breeders. Papers fom AKC do not reflect the word miniature on it.
Some registries out of the usual reputable ones do register them as mini's.
illusion.....there is a lady local to me that raises 'mini aussies' as well. I dont know if it is just hers, but I found them to be quite undesirable compared to the look of a standard aussie. I havent seen pics of yours though. By what 'standard' do you determine if it is a mini? I never asked about what the average weight/height were of them, just know their small.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
My understanding is that Aussies have always varied in size because working ability was valued more than looks. When fanciers in the breed decided to turn yet another working breed into a show dog, the little guys were left out. The breed was created for herding and if they can still perform, then size shouldn't matter. The AKC forced the separation of "regular size" and "Mini" aussies. No they aren't a new breed, they have just been left out. The reason her dogs are AKC registered is because they fit the ideal that the creators of the breed were striving for. The parent club decided these dogs are no longer real aussies based purely on aesthetics. I don't believe Illusions is breeding these dogs for novelty reasons or to make a quick buck, and comparing them to cockapoos is unfair. The AKC is far from perfect and they have done a ton of damage to working breeds.
And this is where it is heading. " IF you want a SMALL HOUSE sized dog with brains, smarts, loyalty, & HEALTH - with "limited" or no herding instinct our Toy aussie is what you are looking for. we try to selective breed OUT herding & aggressiveness for "family pets" so do not follow breed standard."
I don't think it has to do with asthetics, Rottlver, I am willing to bet that it has more to do with the fact that once a dog is smaller than a certain size, it looses it's ability to function effectively as a herding dog because it's bones aren't going to be strong enough to take the occasional trample or kick that a 'real' herding dog is liable to get.
As far as the AKC 'damaging working breeds', I beg to differ. It is not the AKC that writes the standards, it's the parent club. Why is it that the blame is constantly placed on the AKC for ruining working dogs? Doesn't every other reputable all breed kennel club around the world also share in the blame, from the Canadian Kennel Club to The Kennel Club of the UK? For example the AKC didn't choose to breed the GSD to it's current state. The breeders themselves did all that damage on their own.
The same can be said for non working breeds like bulldogs, that have been so unwisely bred over the years they can't whelp or mate naturally anymore and are prone to an insane number of health issues. The irony is that it's the physical characteristics that people love the most about the bulldogs (large heads with smashed in faces, short stocky bodies, bowed legs) that have helped contribute to their current condition. That's not the AKC, that's stupid people breedings for a particular look without regard to the long-term effects said look is going to have on the overall health.
If bulldog breeders were serious about improving natural dog health they would spay all dogs that couldn't whelp naturally, and neuter any male that was physically unable to mount well enough to mate, breed for dogs with smaller more natural heads.
I'm just saying it's rather hypocritical to point the finger at some breeders and not others who have done more to damage breeds even within the accepted breed club standards.
***Edited By: Minniyar on 4/18/2008 2:21:17 PM*** Reason: add
Never trust a tall dwarf... he's lying about something.
Everyone has a right to their opinion. but to give some of you a little back ground (if you want to read it), and what I am personally striving for.
In the early years of aussies, there were several different sizes used by people who raised different livestock. A smaller for sheep and goats, and larger for horses and cattle. Once Aussies were brought into breed standards, ASCA put a size on them which was a hair smaller then what they are now, only about an 1" or 2". Smaller but not refined aussies where still being produced and shown with the larger one. Refined is not good, the dog should have good bone so it can with stand the herding work. In the 60's a women decided to take the smaller aussies and turn them into a different breed. They were never supposed to be mini aussies, but once she passed it all changed. I would prefer to see it go back to what was supposed to be done with the dogs.
I do understand there is a ton of static within breeds and aussie people about the dogs. I was one of those people at one time. I do not care for the "toys" at all, and feel they are no longer functionable(if that is word).
I love the Australian Shepherd breed, and will continue to breed only to the breed standard in a smaller package. I do herding with all my dogs. They must have the beauty, brains, and function before they are considered in my breeding program. I see alot of AKC Champion regular aussies that wouldn't know what to do with a cow, or any livestock if they saw it. The breeding the herding out of them is already happening. Aussies were not supposed to have huge fluffy coats you see in Westminster. They are not collies. Time changes all breeds, and so does showing. Bigger seems to be better, and I dont belive that. Labs are starting to be in the 80-100lbs range. What happened to the 40-60lb labs, they are in the feild doing what they are bred to do.
There is major difference between a rare breed and a mixed breed. When a cockapoo can gain a championship title in confirmation so be it. Until then it was a unrelated comparison. Mini aussies have 2 major parent clubs, and are reconized as breed by both of the rare breed showing venues. They can gain a championship, and many have. I do not belive the herding should be bred out of them to make them great house pets, and that is not what I strive for. If and when it comes to that, then i will agree with everyone that the breed has been distroyed. I will at that time no longer be interested in them. I got into the breed becuase of what they are, small australian shepherds. Several pups in this litter have already been promised to people with livestock to become farm dogs. They will live the life they were intended for. You all have no idea how many farmers I have heard from in this area that have aussies/border collies with no instinct at all. Mine do and i plan on keeping it that way.
On the shelter note, that I do preach to people. I belive in getting a dog from the shelter if you can. I work with aussie rescue, and have done so for many years. The shelter denied me a dog a long time ago becuase I had a horse that was not even on my property. I was told by the person at the shelter that people who have horses don't have time for dogs. That was the biggest line of BS I had ever heard. I went to a breeder and got my first aussies. I have loved the breed ever since. Responsible breeders are not our problem, the puppy mills are. If everyone would work together to get humane laws and rules inforced, then maybe we could get somewhere. As long as there are dogs being sold in pet stores, we will have problems. Not becuase people show and raise dogs. The impulse buy is the problem.
Just as you all have voiced your opinion, I have mine. some may agree, and some will disagree.
I have nothing but respect for you right now. The fact that your puppies are going to be doing what they were bred for is great. You obviously care about your breed. I'm sure it would actually be easier to find pet homes for your puppies but you choose working homes instead.
Thank you rottluvr. I love the fact that people want these dogs, and not everyone has 10+ acres to raise livestock. I prefer working/performance homes, but as long as people understand the breed, a pet home is fine also. I will not let any of my pups go without a spay/neuter contract. When the pups are born, I will try to post pics. Thanks everyone.