I dont know much about it Pen,The lady from a local kennel who does alot with ukc with apbt and preso called me and told me about it,she said they are using a female preso and a male apbt and she regrets that years ago she sold this man a dog ans she is trying to get it back now because he is breeding it like this.She said he did all the stuff in her contract like leaving her kennel name and get the dog his titles by a certain age but this just blew her mind.

"Brindle is defined in even the dictionary as a gray or tawny coat with darker colors. So I guess you're saying that the dictionary is even wrong."

Yeah, don't answer any questions about where you bought your dog or what her qualities are that she should be bred when there's already over 18,000 labs in shelters waiting for homes. Just argue about the color of the mystery dog that "raped" her.

It's starting to sound like you're only in this for the money. Give the mutts a fancy name and say they make wonderful family pets (by the way-how do you know this?) and see how much $$$ you can bring in.

When you sell them, be sure to mention that the father is a "rapist" with a bad temperment that attacks other dogs at random. That should REALLY make them "wonderful family pets".

It doesn't sound like a made up story to me or like she secretly did it on purpose either. What it sounds like to me is your typical wannabe backyard breeder that knows barely even the basics of breeding dogs. If they're telling the whole story then it sounds like their lab which is apprently outside the standard was jumped by a loose mastiff and was humped for a minute before the boyfriend most likely pulled their dog away or shooed off the mastiff. No one would just stand there and do/say nothing. There was no tie, but this person doesn't know anythign about ties or what a dog mating looks like and so they had no idea. And that is assuming they are telling the whole story and the truth. Who knows....

What i can't stand is use of the terms like virginity, and rape, and crap like that. There is no such thing as dog rape. And female dogs cycles do not compare in any way to a human females cycle. We bleed for differant reason and ovulate at differant times.

"And female dogs cycles do not compare in any way to a human females cycle. We bleed for differant reason and ovulate at differant times."

Though, wouldnt our better halves be happy with the idea of us having a standing heat for a week every month?

As I mentioned 3 years ago, my female chocolate labrador was purchased from a local breeder. She didn't come from a puppy mill. I even had her registered with the AKC as a purebred along with her pedigree.

Yes, I've heard here and elsewhere that if I wanted to show her that I could after 6 months of age. Up to now, I just haven't had the time to do so.

As many other people I'm sure, I just haven't taken the time to take pictures with a camera. That is why I haven't ever posted her picture here. It's not that I didn't want to, it's because I had no pictures to post here. We did however make a short video with a DVD camcorder around the time we got her. It's been a very long time since I took pictures with a camera let alone used the camcorder.

My original posted message explained this unexpected accidental encounter between my dog and this neighborhood mastiff. We really couldn't find any pictures of mastiffs which exactly resembled that male dog. Perhaps, forum members who posted here were right that the male dog sounded like some mix. In fact, we think now it just very well might be a mix of perhaps black labrador with mastiff. It really doesn't matter about the male dog.

I followed Pen2's advice and contacted my dog's veterinarian on Friday morning explaining everything to him. He confirmed to us that silent heats do sometimes occur, and the chance is there for a pregnancy even in less than a minute. We told the vet that this encounter with our dog was an accident, and that we heard that there is a mismate shot. Our veterinarian doesn't offer the mismate shot. We asked the veterinarian that in the scenario if an accidental pregnancy resulted whether her pregnancy would be high risk. He said more than likely it would be a normal one. Usually, if they detect a problem then a c-section is scheduled. Sometimes a dog might have problems delivering some of her pups and therefore require an emergency c-section.


Hopefully, she's not pregnant.

I know that in my area...hicktown, lol. No vet here offers the mismate shot. In fact within over a 100 mile radius does. Thank god I have never needed it, would be tough to find one.
A acquaintance who raises Corgis needed the shot and we teamed up to make the calls to search. She ended up taking her chances since we were at 100 miles and still no luck.

I know of the side effects and risks, I think as long as the vet makes these things clear to the owner, that they should at least all make it available, IMO.

I live in Reno, Nevada close to the California border.

Lutalyse is PGF. The prostaglandins can be used if indeed a female dog is pregnant. Lutylase is PGF2. The PGF2 prostaglandins works the same as the 1st type. These shots shouldn't be used if a dog isn't pregnant. Unfortunately, it takes a minimum of 2 weeks to really notice any signs of a female dog being pregnant and sometimes depending on a particular dog even longer than that time.

Perhaps, my dog's veterinarian doesn't use that or any other mismate shot because of potential risks. I really don't know.