cezcal20, I'm more interested in what the place is like that breeds these mutts.Please stop calling them hybrids, because they are not hybrid. 'hybrid Offspring of parents that differ in genetically determined traits (see genetics). The parents may be of two different species, genera, or (rarely) families. The terms “mongrel” and “crossbreed” refer usually to animals or plants resulting from a cross between two races, breeds, strains, or varieties of the same species.'*
Have you been to the premises where these dogs are? How many dogs were there? What kind of health guarantee do they offer? Have the dogs been OFA'd, and CERF'd? This is most important. Sorry, this sounds like I'm writing a book, but these are all the questions you should be asking. I'll be interested in the answers.
After a quick survey of my bookshelf I counted over 20 dog books, many that I couldn't even have comprehended at 7 years of age. That doesn't include the half dozen spead throughout the rest of my house. I also subsribed to a very popular dog magazine for over 6 years. I don't know what gave you the idea that one book makes you an expert. I don't consider myself one; I'm just informed.
I too would like to know why a mix of these two breeds is so much better than one or the other. That seems to be a question none of the "hybrid/designer dog" breeders or supporters can answer. You would think with as many designer mutts as there are, one person could come up with one good reason. JMHO, but the only crossbreeds that make sense to me are those bred solely for working purposes.
I have another question. You keep saying that the other dogs these breeders produce are AKC, but how many champions have they produced. Are they on the puppymill list, are they inspected by the USDA and have you checked with the AKC to see if there are any complaints against them?
Unfortunately, the OP is not open to being educated. He has gotten misleading, incorrect info from a greedy breeder who creates mixes and slaps a hybrid title on them to make them look special and worth a ridiculous price.
Even his own link supports our point about them being mixed breeds, yet he is so closed minded he chooses to continue his pointless argument.
A mixed breed, a mutt, etc is mix of 2 or more breeds, period! Mixed or mutt does not distinguish how many breeds are included in the mix. Just like with kool aid and wine...you put a bit of each in a glass, stir it up....you no longer have wine or kool aid, but a mix of the two. NOT a wineaid hybrid drink.
People are like slinky's, not really good for much. But its still fun to push them down the stairs.
If you're only eighteen and have "owned lots of breeds of dogs," that does sound to great. How long did you had each dog? Were they well trained, members of the family? I'm 23 and have only owned 2 purebreds myself; one for 8 years, the other for four. I spent a lot of time researching the breed as well as training methods. Because I only have two, with a four year age difference, I am able to devote a lot of time to training. You mentioned somewhere that you had to have a dog put down b/c of HD. I would think you would want to find a reputable breeder that test for that after such a bad experience.
I wouldnt think they knew at all what they are talking about considering that according to the website the dogs have been declawed hahaha idiots I bet they meant that the DEWCLAWS were removed.What the hey the purchaser and seller are at the same age level when it comes to brains.
the golden that had a HD we adopted and another dog we got from the pound , we saw a ad in the paper, it was a pure bred irish setter. I dont read the books for training , i know how to train them on my own. its easy.
I've grown lots of teeth and taken good care of them but child, that doesn't make me a dentist. You are believing a not-too-bright breeder's ridiculous claims as gospel truth. The breeder is not very knowledgeable if he/she doesn't even know the meaning of the word hybrid. At 18 you should at least be able to check a dictionary. As already stated, a hybrid is a cross between different species. You are looking at crossbred dogs, not hybrids. Stubbornly insisting on calling them hybrids just makes you appear stupid.
You say they raised two breeds as AKC purebreds for years. How responsible could they have been as breeders? A responsible breeder knows that they purge and cull spay/neuter until all the dogs in the bloodline are not showing unhealthy traits and are meeting the breed standards for the breed. You refine the breed until you can't do anymore and then it is time to outcross to another line in the same breed for improving on traits your dogs need. That is the moment dreaded by a responsible breeder because all their careful breeding can be undone by a single bad gene in the new bloodline if their dog also has the same gene. The risk isn't so bad with the same breed because responsible breeders all have the goal of improving the breed and certain breeds are known for certain problems. Only a fool would then turn around and cross that pure line with a totally different breed and risk introducing bad genes that, if present in both bloodlines, will begin showing up as bad traits. Chances are one of their males and one of their females were not supervised during a heat cycle and they are trying to cash in on their accidental litter by giving them a fancy name.
The other red flag about this breeder is that her dogs, or pups are registered with a registry called UKCI. I had a look at their website and was blown away by various statements. They will fill out a health certificate of a Toy Rat Terrier, and copy the information onto the registration certificate.
All these people have given you great advice. Don't by into the whole hybrid thing.A mixed breed is a mixed breed. There is no reason in this day and age to try and produce any new breeds of dogs.Except money...
but would a wolf and a dog be a hybrid or just another mix? since you said they have to have the same genes.
Dogs and wolves are now classified as the same species.
"The other red flag about this breeder is that her dogs, or pups are registered with a registry called UKCI. I had a look at their website and was blown away by various statements. They will fill out a health certificate of a Toy Rat Terrier, and copy the information onto the registration certificate."
It's really sickening that these "registries" purposefully try to make their names or acronyms sound just like the reputable registries. I can just imagine the meeting. "Hey lets just copy the United Kennel Club's name, but we'll add a letter so they can't sue us." Isn't there another bogus registry that copies the real UKC. Even though the Canadian Kennel Club forced the Continental Kennel Club to change to ConKC, I've yet to see a breeder follow suit. In my book they are guilty of false advertising.
"1: an offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera 2: a person whose background is a blend of two diverse cultures or traditions 3 a: something heterogeneous in origin or composition : composite <hybrids of complementary DNA and RNA strands> <a hybrid of medieval and Renaissance styles> b: something (as a power plant, vehicle, or electronic circuit) that has two different types of components performing essentially the same function"
Is it any wonder that people are confused? The biological definition differs from the common definition.
In any case, IMO, you get a purebred dog from a reputable breeder or you save a dog (mutt or purebred) from a shelter or rescue; designer dogs shouldn't be a consideration, sadly, you're just feeding the BYBs and the puppy mills.
The thing about getting a mixed breed dog - you're not necessarily getting the BEST of both breeds. You can just as easily get the WORST of both of them as well...
When any breeder decides to breed two dogs together it should be well planned with a solid understanding of basic canine genetics, breed traits, sound physical structure, and an extensive understanding and knowledge of the family tree that both dogs come from including health and temperament.
It IS not a decision made because you like the dogs color, or it's a friendly pet, or that you think you have a "demand" for something.
When you breed two purebred dogs together you start with a basic knowledge of breed traits and there are usually "givens" that you can assume. It takes some of the gamble out of breeding - breeding is always a gamble anyway, but less so the more knowledge you have at hand.
When you mix breeds, you have no givens. Those puppies can be any wild combination of both breeds. That means the bad stuff too.
Really a responsible breeder has a long term "goal" for their breeding program that is NOT to sell puppies. That breeder has bred Goldens for 15 years... what did they accomplish during that time? In 6 years of breeding Shelties I can clearly see what I have "mastered" - and what I have failed at. I spent 5 years and 3 generations working to get what has essentially become 2 bitches and I've more or less started over this year with new bloodlines that I'm building around those 2 bitches. I can tell you what my goal is for my program regarding structure and temperament and health. Every responsible breeder should be able to do this.
I've yet to find a breeder selling mixed breeds who have enough of an understanding of either breed to be able to accomplish anything by mixing them...