AKC won't accept either of those registeries. and I don't know much with the APRI, and UKC won't accept the APRI but will accept AKC, but AKC won't accept Ukc anymore, I am pretty sure about this but you can go each registry and look to know for sure ..the only way it sounds like if you register them CKC but to me that isn't worth the paper it is written on, it is the same as full blooded with no papers ...so unless you get both AKC, you will hgave to go to one or the other of the other one's AKC is the best they have alot of perks to go along with registering your pup I just love them never had any other kind they give 6 months pet insurance free and pet safe it is a lost and found program for your pup and alot more but that just my opinion . All my dane's are AKC and wouldn't use any other ...good luck in your search
Always trust your dogs instinct about ppl it is always right..
Of course if the parents are registered with AKC AND APRI then AKC will acept the registration, but that has no relation to the APRI papers, it is only due to both parents also being AKC. And to add: Both PARENTS have to be AKC, not if the parents are not AKC but the grandparents are, doesnt work that way.
And yes APRI will give full rights to a Limited registered AKC dog. Of course UKC will as well.
I don't want to start anything over this but what I said is 100% truth. If you want the e-mail address to the AKC official who is handling this, please PM me and I will be glad to give it to you. I know, it goes completely against everthing we have been told and have been doing for years and is making some changes.
I can't sit here and say what I said wasn't true, because then I would be lieing.
Are you referring to PAL registration type through AKC? PAL(purebred alternative listing program)? This is the registration given to dog of an unregistered litter or unregistered parents. They require pictures of the dog to be sent in with the application. Is this what you were referring to?
"...For a dog with papers from another domestic registry AKC has a new program where we are researching pedigrees of dogs that do not have AKC paperwork to determine if the dog comes from AKC registrable stock. ... The dog may qualify for registration if the pedigree shows no break in AKC lineage and the dogs in the pedigree originate from AKC registrable stock...."
Thanks for helping me learn more about the AKC, sassyone.
But what if the breeder had a specific reason for not providing a particular someone with the papers? Doesn't that kinda violate the breeder's rights a little in a way? Or would they check all the way back to the last registered owner(s), and varify a few things? What if the breeder is one of the ones who withholds papers for a period of time based on certain agreements (payment not being reversed or something, or spay or neuter ect.), and the buyer does not hold up their end of the bargain, and so the breeder doesn't want them to get the papers? If you withhold the papers, the person still is likely to get the pedigree, and even the sire and dam names and reg. numbers, which would make them elligible for this program? Would the registration be limited? Or is it talking about the domestic registries in the specialty and open registry sections, like breed clubs and foreign registries? Do they consider the APRI and others domestic registries? I am so confused, LOL. In the same section it explains dogs that might be registered with the pal program because of several reasons including ineligibility, and specifically mentions registries like APRI? It's in at least the first two questions, so do they only research under specific curcumstances and if the dog is from certain registries?
Allright, I decided to see if this helps. I am trying to ask AKC themselves, because the FAQ's are hard to decipher. Hi, thank you for your time. We are debating, and trying to find the answer to this/these question(s). Everyone is really confused. Can a dog, who is registered with APRI be registered with the AKC? Are APRI dogs included in the new research program for elligibilty? The whole thing is very confusing. Or would an APRI dog ONLY be elligible for the PAL program. And does the answer also include the other registries like UABR and such? The FAQ's are a little confusing on this subject. What exactly is this whole research (for registration) program, and who exactly is elligible. Everyone with a pedigree? Or only those from specific registries or types of registries? What if a breeder did not give AKC registration application papers to a specific person purchasing for a reason? Can this person use their pedigree to register their puppy anyways? Again, thank you for your time. It is appreciated. Hopefully we get some answers.
I contacted an individual at AKC directly as well. ALOT of beating around the bush and not answering my questions directly. Every thing was answered by 'send me your dogs pedigree and we will look into it' I simply asked IF my dogs is ONLY APRI registered, the parents of this dog are NOT AKC, but the grandparents were, is he eligible for AKC registration.
I was told as long as there was no break in AKC lineage. OK, so seeing the parents were not AKC, this would break the lineage, correct? Answer: send me the pedigree and we will look into it.
My reply, this is for the PAL regitration program correct? He says: no, your dog would get regular AKC papers.
So, yes it does appear, while they are obvioulsy not openly admitting it, what it boils down to, is the breeders are getting a slap in the face. Minited registration basically means nothing. They can go register with a Pm registry and then register the offspring back to AKC again.
This would mean, among other things, when we limit papers, if they have the pedigree, and they usually do, they could just 'lose' them and get regular unlimited registration off our pedigrees? What would be the frickin' point then?
I don't blame you all for not believing it when you first read it. They arent making it a big public scene about it thats for sure. I am sure there are alot of people that post all kinds of ridiculous stuff constantly. This will probably cause alot of breeders to with hold papers until proof of S/N and then it doesnt matter. Cause actually I think, and not certain but I think if you have a set of AKC puppy papers you can get your pup APRI registered with just that and never send the AKC puppy papers into AKC. If they are marked limited, APRI would never make note of it, you get your APRI papers in and then call up AKC and say "hey I have an APRI dog from AKC parents", walla, you have full AKC papers. AKC never knew about your puppy's limited puppy paper. Perhaps I just said too much. At least now you all know to be on the look out for dishonest people with a plan. You must know your enemy inside and out in order to defeat them.
I would hope(!) that the AKC, under this new program, would check with any breeders involved in the lineage regarding breeder-imposed limitations/restrictions. Any responsible breeder would be contactable and would clue the AKC in on what they intended regarding registration. It's, once again, the backyard and puppy miller breeders who wouldn't give a darn whether offspring are registered or not.
We have to face the fact that the AKC is a pedigree entity, and as long as the pedigree remains unbroken, it follows that the AKC would feel the offspring should be able to be registered ($$$ for them). I'm sure(?) they'll do what checking they can, but if they can't contact the breeder, and the AKC line is unbroken, they'll register the offspring.
The AKC seems to be giving very ambiguous answers to forthright questions, LPN. That may be to the good or to the bad. They may not be able to give a forthright answer because once they discover what the pedigree is, they'll be questioning all the contactable breeders involved re their breeding practices (with regard to registration restrictions). I guess we'll never know unless someone we know gives the new program a try.
It doesn't seem like a good program on the face of it, but since the AKC won't answer forthrightly (is that a word?), it's open to [broad or narrow] interpretation by us here at TP. I'm choosing to believe (at the moment, anyway) that this new program is not a finger-snap, but a whole lotta trouble (and potential $$$?) to go through that most BYBs and puppymillers won't want to do.
My question sent yesterday: Is this affected if some of the dogs involved were on limited registration?
The reply I received today: No, if the dog is a member of an AKC registered litter we will not register the dog without making contact with the breeder to approve registration.
So, no if they see the dogs were involved with Limited registration, it will still be considered for full registration of that offspring...which does anger me, but at least they claim to attempt to make contact with the breeder first.
Directly from the AKC's website: "AKC Mission Statement
The American Kennel Club is dedicated to upholding the integrity of its Registry, promoting the sport of purebred dogs and breeding for type and function. Founded in 1884, the AKC® and its affiliated organizations advocate for the purebred dog as a family companion, advance canine health and well-being, work to protect the rights of all dog owners and promote responsible dog ownership.
AKC 's Objective:
• Advance the study, breeding, exhibiting, running and maintenance of purebred dogs.
AKC's Core Values:
We love purebred dogs We are committed to advancing the sport of the purebred dog We are dedicated to maintaining the integrity of our Registry We protect the health and well-being of all dogs We cherish dogs as companions We are committed to the interests of dog owners We uphold high standards for the administration and operation of the AKC We recognize the critical importance of our clubs and volunteers "
The AKC needs to read this themselves. It's supposed to be about the dogs, not the money. They should be thrilled to see the millers and BYBs going to other registries. Instead they are trying to woo them back and being sneaky about it. They are getting farther and farther away from their purpose. Being "only a registry" is a copp out, IMO. The limited registration program is the main thing that sets them apart from the rest. W/o it, why not go to the UKC or any other registry? They talk about integrity and now they need to show some.
I breed and show Great Danes, one of my danes was only APRI and is now registered AKC on full registration! So yes, you can register your pom with AKC as long as you have a 3 gen pedigree and there is no break in akc lineage. and if the parents are eligeable for AKC registration.
go to AKC.ORG and type research registry where it says search site, and you can fax over the pedigree and a copy of the registration certificate (has to be registered in your name already) and they will verify the lineage and call you and let you know if they can be registered akc.