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Posted: 11:47:58 PM 8/5/2008
This is to all of the poodle lovers of the world. I am new to this and i would like some help please!! I just bought a new tiny toy poodle 8 w/o named Tandin. I am not trying to breed or show. I just want the cute little guy as a pet. The breeder said the pup is CKC registered... i have no clue what that means... Can anyone help me? Thanks bunches for all responces!!! -LeS
Posted: 7:04:16 PM 12/23/2009
I think it means Canadian Kennel Club because AKC means American Kennel Club. Im pretty sure it means that.
dvargas76
Posted: 12:04:27 PM 7/30/2010
CKC means Continental Kennel Club and it is a very recognized breed registry. They are newer than AKC (American Kennel Club), but that does not mean that the puppy is any less quality.
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Ruffian
Posted: 1:05:43 PM 7/30/2010
No CKC MEANS the Canadian Kennel Club because they sued the Continental Kennel Club and won. Those using the Continental Kennel Club and SUPPOSED to use ConKC, but they dont usually.
And yes they are recognized, BUT they are a crap registry used by BYB and millers. So yes is very well could mean that the pup is low quality.

As for the OP she was here a year ago, dont thing it matters now.

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dvargas76
Posted: 8:33:21 PM 7/30/2010
Well, I use CKC and I'm not a back yard breeder or a miller and just because AKC is attached to the registry, does that mean the breeder is going to be any better? Usually not, I have an AKC female that I acquired and her teeth are rotting out of her head from where she was kept as nothing but a puppy factory and locked into a kennel 24/7, she hadn't known heaven until she came here. Now she's a lap dog, has learned she has a personality, and is enjoying all the love and attention she deserves. I personally think it doesn't matter what the registry is, a crap breeder is going to be a crap breeder, regardless of money, regardless of status. Period.
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scout1
Posted: 8:50:54 PM 7/30/2010
A crap breeder is a crap breeder regardless of registry you are correct. However, the ContKC started out as a place to register dogs that were sold on limited registrations, who were not supposed to be bred, so they could be bred. That is a very shady thing to do, hence why the ContKC is made up of more crap breeders than any other registry.
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illusionminis
Posted: 9:41:34 PM 7/30/2010
I have to agree with Scout on this one. ConKC will registar anything as long as it looks good. I know for a fact they registared a border collie as and Australian Shepherd. Living in Pa. The puppy mills, and back yard breeder around here send them a ton of money. I feel no reputable breeder would even consider dealing with them.

Poodles in a whole have so many health problems it is a shame. Even good dogs from great show breeders are a mess. As a groomer, I rarely see a healthy poodle come through the shop. Most standards have severe ear infections, minis and toys, have allergy problems, knee problems etc.

ConKC also registars mix breed/hybrid mutts. That is just someone lining their pockets with money. I find that to be extremly taboo, and uncalled for. Aren't there enough mutts at the shelters, why produce more?

Of course, if you are meaning the Canadian Kennel Club, that is who different story, they are like our American Kennel Club.
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dvargas76
Posted: 7:20:19 AM 7/31/2010
Well, I guess I'm lucky that I don't have poodles that have all those issues. As for "luxating patella's" being prolific, that has not 100% been determined as a genetic disorder. I've read and reviewed every statement about luxating patellas and have seen that it can be caused by trauma, overuse, and hereditary, so is it one or all 3 of those reasons? If it is, why are German Shephards prone to hip issues? Show Shephards have been bred down so much that they now have such problems in walking it is really sad. King Charles Spaniels have neurological disorders and are prone to seizures because their skulls are not large enough to support their brains, also due to inbreeding and these are major show dogs. I'm proud to say my poodles have had no ear issues, knee issues, or eye issues. The only issue any of them has is periodontal one of my female has from prior treatment, but even that has almost been completely corrected. Amazing what brushing with a good paste will do. When I set out to breed, I set out to change the world of breeding and how it is looked upon. A responsible breeder is just that. I only have 3 adult dogs, I will not have any more than that, I'm not setting out to become rich, because it won't happen, in many occasions I won't make anything on the dogs because of vet visits, food, time, attention, & other necessities. But, it is such a rewarding experience when you see someone get the companion they wanted and they're so happy. Wouldn't you agree?
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ruffian
Posted: 9:30:01 AM 7/31/2010
Nope reputable breeders don't use crap registries, nor do they breed un titled dogs, and since ConKC doesn't hold conformation or working shows your breeding for money.
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oxfordbostons
Posted: 12:10:46 PM 7/31/2010
"As for "luxating patella's" being prolific, that has not 100% been determined as a genetic disorder. I've read and reviewed every statement about luxating patellas and have seen that it can be caused by trauma, overuse, and hereditary,"


For clairfication, heredity is the passing of traits from parents to offspring.Genetics is the study of heredity.
It's the same difference. Genetics is a STUDY.


Ruffian is correct regarding ConKC. They are a BYB's dream registry as they have no standards, much like the people who use them to register their "purebred" dogs. Or as some like to call them, "fullblooded..." Send in 3 or 4 photos, a couple of signatures and of course a check, let's not forget the $ and you get papers!

No saying that AKC is just 110% perfect and those dogs have no problems at all, because that is not true. Not saying that BYB's don't somehow end up getting their hands on 2 AKC reg. pups and breeding them later to get more AKC pups and line their pockets. However, AKC does and will inspect you and your facility if you register enough litters with them.

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scout1
Posted: 8:07:36 PM 7/31/2010
DVargas no one is saying that the AKC is the bomb when it comes to registries. Puppymill puppies do often come with AKC papers. It's just the simple fact of how and why the ContKc was started that tarnishes most everyone's view of them and any breeder associated with them. You are familiar with the saying that people are often judged by the company they keep? Well it is like that. While you yourself may not be a crap breeder, you are a member of a crap registry. I am hoping that there are breeders within that registry that hold themselves to a high standard of ethics, as ALL breeders should regardless of registry affiliation.

There are plenty of good, knowledgable breeders and pet owners on this forum. You could probably both add to and take away from a lot on here.
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catlover
Posted: 9:00:38 PM 7/31/2010
Toy poodles are not only prone to subluxating patellas, but also pancreatitis, skin problems, allergies, ear infections and eye disorders. (Standard poodles have their own set of problems.)

As for the German Shepherd-it has been one of the most popular dog breeds in the world for decades. Unfortunately, that tends to be the kiss of death. Popular breeds (the lab is another example) tend to be over bred and poorly bred-an extremely dangerous combination.

Dvargas-I'm curious if you've had any health testing done on your dogs, or if you have just been lucky so far?
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dvargas76
Posted: 9:30:37 PM 7/31/2010
All have been health tested, and to the above person that referenced to I'm in it for the money, that's a load. I just spent another $100 before I came home on basics for the dogs. On average about that every couple of weeks, not counting regular vet visits, grooming supplies, & dog park memberships. Oh, and the fact that I just spent the money that I did on this site and a couple of others. I also supplemental bottle feed one of my puppies, so you can imagine. But, according to you, I'm in it for the money. I find that HILARIOUS!
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illusionminis
Posted: 9:41:00 PM 7/31/2010
I still believe the simple fact we have our opinions, and you have yours. Nothing you say to me will change my mind of ConKC, or their breeders.

I am not a fan of AKC either, don't get me wrong. I cant stand what they did to my Aussies. I prefer rare breeds and rare breed showing venues. Although my mini aussies are just a downsized breed. I do believe you should show, and rescue if you are to breed. I know others have diagreed with me on this, but it is how I feel.

This forum really doesn't like those who join to start a fight, or whe why me bs. You can either stick around and provide insight for those who need it, or leave. Everyone has the right to their opinion, and everyone has a right to disagree. It is what makes the world go around.
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dvargas76
Posted: 9:44:19 PM 7/31/2010
Sorry, I paid the money, I'm here, like it or not. I attempted to provide insight and got flack for it. I'll continue to offer insight and really hope to make some friendships on here, but as of now, no one has really given it a chance. And that is NOT a woe as me or any other type of mentality, that's being insightful.
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dvargas76
Posted: 9:47:31 PM 7/31/2010
I'm currently in the process of joining my male in going to nursing homes & children's hospitals. He has an excellent personality and is very patient. I get comments about him all the time when we go out to the doggie boutiques and Pet Smart. I got the bug in the ear that he is so sweet that I should try it. He's such an intelligent and sweet poodle. It would really brighten someone's day, I think.
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catlover
Posted: 10:35:42 PM 7/31/2010
I do hope you realize that by "health tested"...I don't mean taking your dogs to the vet for annual shots.

At any rate, good for you for trying to get your dog into therapy. Do you plan to actually get him certified as a therapy dog?
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lpn169
Posted: 10:53:34 PM 7/31/2010
In health testing, they are referring to genetic testing, OFA, etc. To be certain you are not breeding any of those health issues into your pups.
Heartworm, routine vet visits to say Fefe is healthy, etc is a standard for all dogs, we hold breeders to a higher standard for care than pet owners.

That is what they were referring to with the previous question.
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dvargas76
Posted: 11:27:34 PM 7/31/2010
Really, you make it seem as if I do not have a clue what you are talking about. I thoroughly got your meaning, they have been genetic tested, not just the standard run of the mill vet care.
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lpn169
Posted: 11:41:57 PM 7/31/2010
No, I was replying and attempting to be polite to you.
My mistake.
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