Right, Pyrmom. I love how so many people have dogs that are from 'Champion Bloodlines!' My Akita was from a backyard breeder and had champion bloodlines!!.... One great great grandfather and one great grandmother were champions. ;)
LOL! My only qualms over my pup's pedigree was in the fact (as most of you already know) that I have not shown either sire or dam. HOWEVER, their combined 6 generation pedigree have 149 champions, 4 of the most recognized Pyr bloodlines, the 2 all time top scoring dogs and 3 hall of fame dogs. I felt (as did those who were helping me) that the quality of my dogs themselves and the pedigrees they have off-set to some extent the fact that they themselves were not Ch. I took the entire time Angel was pregnant and another 2 weeks or so after the pups were whelped to come to a decision and that only AFTER I had both sire & dam as well as the pups and their pedigrees gone over, checked and visited by 2 unbiased, experienced Pyr breeders and show people. I additionally had 2 vets and 2 other breeders and trainers check everything out and that, combined with my research is what helped me determine what was fair...for the quality of the pups themselves, the bloodlines they descend from, the kennels that bred those ancestors, my pups, my potential buyers and myself. I made every effort humanly possible to be open, honest and fair about the pricing.
minniyar why SHOULD a dog be registered. if they aren't going to do anything with him/her and it is going to be a pet why should it matter? i never registered scout because i had gotten her to be a family companion not a show dog. her breeder is getting me another copy of the original registration papers now because i decided i wanted to do more with her. but if someone just wants a pet why does it matter if it is registered or not?
Yes I meant the ARBA. I am a little dyslectic (sp) and I always get the abbrivations back wards. So what you are saying again is that the UKC is not a good place to register your dog. I now a lot of people that perfer the UKC to AKC because they are more family oriented and aren't as back stabing as they are in AKC. They also don't care if you are waering jeans in the show ring or a nice dress, skirt, or suit and tie. I haven't been to a UKC show yet. I was hoping to go this weekend, but I stepped on that stupid rake and have had to stay home all weekend. So if anyone has any experince with UKC shows I would love to hear them. Plus there are a lot of breeds the UKC will register that the AKC wont. Like your coonhounds the only one the AKC recognizes is the Black and Tan, but there are lots more. Then AKC only recognizes American Brittany's that are all the color except black. UKC is the only one that registeres them seperatly and recognizes the black color which is the perfered color in England. Pyrmom actaully the only club I know the set price on the puppies it the Leoninburger (sp) they sell for 1200 flat. That is what everyone that belongs to the parent club has to sell for. I beleive the Portagues (sp) Waterdog also has a club set price.
It just really depends on what breed of dog & what lines it has, and the breeder. There are purebreds that are found in shelters. They can still be registered with the AKC with an ILP number. It is rather easy to get one, and if you are entering a show, simply subsitute the ILP # to where the Reg. # is supposed to be. As for why register with the AKC if you aren't going to do anything with them, I do not know. But what I know is that it ups the number of registered dogs of that breed by one. I will ALWAYS register every single dog I get, because all the dogs I will get in the future will be purebred. ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 Wanna be pup pals?
OK talking about pricing and selling points is a dog that is dual registered worth more money then one that is only registered with one club? Meaning they are AKC and UKC registered or that the owners say their dogs are AKC registered and they belong to a parent club. Are these puppies worth more and is it just a selling point for some people?
OK I have a female that is APRI and ACA. I have called AKC to get her registered sence both parents are AKC registered. NO CAN DO!!! My female has all kinds of AKC championships in her pedigree. The breeder has to do it. I dont think that it maters what registery if the pet is being sold as a pet what does it mater. As far as other registeries other than AKC that does not mean that a breeder does not have quality dogs. Just because a dog is AKC does not mean crap. If you want to get into how AKC breeds for temperments and comformation they inbreed!!! They breed and get that one trate that will win them the show. What do they do with the other puppies?
This is a little of the subject, but when looking for a good breeder don't be fooled when the pups are advertised as "purebred." Sure, they may be purebred dogs, but I have seen muts that look closer to what the breed should then purebred dogs, not that I am saying mixed breed is better then purebred, I am just saying that purebred does not mean good quality.
Crisy, if you call up the AKC or go to the AKC site you need to ask them about getting your dog an Indefinite Listing Priveledge. This registers your dog as a purebred so that it can compete in performance events. I promise you, you do not need AKC papers at all to get your dog registered with ILP in the AKC. As long as your dog is spayed/neutered you can register it. It's very possible that the reason the AKC wouldn't register your dog is because one or both of the parents of the dog had been oroiginally sold on limited registration. If that is the case, even if one or both the parents of your dog were registered, any offspring from the dogs can't be registered with the AKC (except possibly under ILP). Here is information on ILP. http://www.akc.org/registration/ilpex.cfm
It comes down to who you are getting your dog from. If the breeder is a reputable breeder who shows, has champion lines, and has been breeding/showing these champion dogs for years, this is why the prices are high. Health testing, temperment and certifications are also categorized into the above
prymom, you took me wrong. What I hate is when breeders, usually byb, say "Purebred pups" like it is something special to have a purebred, or that purebred means good quality, and they jack the price up. I think the problem is is that the public doesn't know that a purebred may not actually look like it's breed should, so they pay more for a dog that they think has great conformation, thats what ticks me off, don't get me wrong I love purebreds.
No offense taken. I guess it's because I worked VERY hard to make sure I did everything the "right" way, sparing no expense for my dogs or the pups and I made sure that I was a fair to the buyers as I was to the pups and myself. I also don't think a dog must be purebred or even close to it to be a wonderful, loving, devoted family member. As I've said before, other than our Black Lab, Sheba who was given to me after rescuing her (she had gotten loose from her owner & had been used as "bait" for fighting dogs), all of our dogs have ALWAYS been "pound" puppies or those we have taken in as strays. I've not experienced a difference in love one way or the other between mixed breeds and purebred dogs.