Everyone seems to think that you need to show your dogs before you breed them or they should be titled. The problem with that again comes down to what you want in a dog does it not? Or is what most of you trying to say that a dog should have either a show title or a working title before it is breed? I am just curious, because neither one of my dogs would ever be able to get titled. Well on would with a lot of work, but the other one no way unless we maybe went UKC. Like I said in another forum I wanted to go this weekend to see want kind of dogs the UKC was looking for compared to AKC. So my question is just because AKC doesn't like the color of my dogs and will never give them a title or it would be a very long expensive road to do so. I shouldn't breed my dogs. They are great at what they were breed for which is hunting, but we don't have the time to get them into trials. They are always about 4 hours or more away. My husband does hunt with them though we just don't do the trails. Does that make us bad?
If they get a hunting title, that is good, if you want to do titles It really depends on the breed. If you breed 2 long coat, black Chis, you could get a white short coat. It all is in genetics. Why do you want to breed your dogs on the first place? Not for profit, I hope, because if you are you will lose a LOT more money than gain! ---Allie the Chihuahua http://www.dogster.com/?41063 Wanna be pup pals?
I agree, and for this reason. The ONLY reason I can see that people should be deliberately breeding dogs today is so that we can retain all the separate breeds. If dogs were left to their own devices, all we would have left would be lots of mixed breeds. I like the fact that we have separate breeds and can reasonably expect certain traits from certain breeds. We can reasonably know what to expect as far as size, somewhat temperament, ability, and even what health problems to look for. There are so many tons of mixed breeds out there looking for homes, and purebreds too, that breeding for anything other than the best representation of the breed, including confirmation, temperament, health, and ability, only is adding to the problem. If it were not necessary for humans to intervene to keep the breeds separate, I would say that NOBODY should be breeding at all. Every litter will have some pet quality dogs, ideal for those who do not wish to show or compete (like me), so it isn't as if these breeders would be producing only show dogs, or champion sport dogs, or dogs with perfect confirmation.
We don't breed for profit. We are luck if we make two hundred when it is all said and done. I do it because I like the breed and we have graet dogs with great personalities and great movement. They are first pets, then an occacilan (sp) hunting partner, and then maybe a parent. The main thing is they are pets. I know a lot of people aren't going to like the reasons for us to breed, but I don't care. My puppies are very well cared for and so are the parents. It just with the three year old and another one the way I don't have time to work with the dogs for hunting trials. My husband could careless what the dog does or knows as long as it can go out and point at the birds or flush them. He works a lot of hours at work then comes home and does repairs on the house so even if he did care he just doesn't have time to train them the way they need to be trained for the trails. As for showing them we went to a show last year when we had puppies. The people were very nice, but they did inform us that roans weren't look very highly in the show ring. The judges perfer the orange/white or white/orange the best. There was only one liver/white at the show. They did tell us that at show that are held inside or during the winter you may see more of the liver colored, but not many, because the judges perfer the orange. I would also like to get more involved in the showing and the club, but my orange/white female meet our males teeth and now has a nice gouge on her face we are waiting to see how bad it scars. Plus we are waiting for the breeder to get us a replacement application form. Because our female well nursing her puppies went on a chewing binge and chewed up her application form and one for the male puppy we keep from last year.
In truth, it all depends on the breed and what it is you are specifically breeding your pair for. Mine, although bred earlier than I wished, had been "chosen" with future breeding in mind. Great qualities in each dog that I wanted to continue and wonderful bloodlines. The fact that my breeding pair are not show dogs, but have CH sire & dam on each sides & going back for more than 9 generations, pretty much every generation, assures me that they come from excellent stock, well representing the standard of the breed. In truth, that is what the CH. title represents to me in a show (not field & trail CH) dog or bitch. They show the best of the breed traits. Traits that are the ones you want to breed into future litters. Truth of the matter is I loved my non-registered, mixed breeds just as much as I love these guys. It's all in what you want. You've seen the question regarding the price placed on registered pups, which can "prove" (so to speak) their lineage, imagine trying to sell pups for a fair price when there are no registrations involved. If you love your dogs and they are good at what they were bred for, there's no law that says they are less valuable to you because they are not registered. However, when you get into breeding and trying to place the pups, you might find it's a bit more difficult than you thought. Then again, I COULD be wrong. I've been wrong MANY times before~grin
The biggest problem I am having in placing them in homes is that people don't really care about their backgrounds or their abilities. They just want a pet to lay on the sofa and get it hairy. So then they don't want to pay as much as we are asking. I don't think that it would really matter if are dogs have show championships or hunting titles. Most people don't even look at the pedegree. I offer it to them to look at and they glance at it and give it back. My dogs have some titles in their pedigree. The only one with show titles is the male and that is on his fathers side. Everyone, but his father has their show championship and then their is one obiedence and some hunting titles. On his mothers and our females side there are some hunting titles. I am just asking, because we are breeding what seems to be rare colors in our breed and they aren't liked in the show ring. So is it wrong to try and carry on these colors when it seems the AKC doesn't really like them? They register them, but they don't get far in the show ring with the judges.
Just out of curiosity what breed do you have? Assuming it is a sporting breed. Just curious as I have Weimaraners, and know what you are talking about as far as them being good breed reps but cant afford to go on the road to shows or field trials way off in the big cities when I have a house and horse farm to take care of by my self as I am single. They point and hunt real well and can certainly do the job they were designed for. I have time to mess with them as far going out with them but not for a weekend galavanting to shows when there is work to be done. I would like to show but dont really know the ropes or have the time.