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Are Deerhead Chihuahuas rare?

Blue eyes?

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Posted: 3:57:25 PM 9/4/2008
My daughter has a bure breed Dearhead female Chihuahua.We just got a Male,that looks the same except for parially blue eyes.We are hoping they will mate,they are truly shy together.Has any one ever heard of a Deerhead,and with blue eyes? I think they are rare,do you? Im new on this site,and would love to display photos, but I don't know how yet. Angie,From,Merced Ca.
staceyb
Posted: 4:15:40 PM 9/4/2008
There is no such thing as a deer-headed chihuahua. They are all one and the same within the chihuahua breed. Just as there are no such things as toys or apple heads or tea cups. These are all just catch words from a breeder trying to sell you what they want you to think is a "rare breed" so they can charge far too much for it. As far as your breeding hopes, I will let a more knowledgeable individual on the site chime in on that one. Good luck to you.
Illusionminis
Posted: 8:14:14 PM 9/4/2008
all the cute little names are made up to make pet quality dog sound important. Deerhead usually means the nose is to long as to breed standards. Sometimes the top of the head is to flat. As far as the blue eyes that is a total disqualification, and not allowed in the breed. You have 2 pet quality dogs, and they have no buisness breeding. So to anwser your question, yes they are rare becuase they are wrong according to breed standards. They should both be spayed and neutered. I wouldn't breed those 2 together at all, but if you insist you had better do alot of research on breeding. It can be very dangerous, and yes your female can die if things don't go right. It is rare, but possible. You also need to make sure you have atleast $1000 in the bank in case of an emergancy c-section. It is very common in all toy/small breeds. You also need to ask yourself, if things don't go right, and you have to feed the pups are you willing to tube/bottle feed them every 2 hours, including overnight, for several weeks. Trust me, you don't really get any sleep. If not, don't breed. It can be enjoyable, and I love to watch my pups grow up, but I am willing to do the dirty work when things go wrong. Sorry to make this so long, but I just wanted to inform you.
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Posted: 12:13:55 AM 10/5/2008
I am a breeder and the are deer-head wich are long nosed chihuahua, and apple head witch is short nosed rounded head and are "higher quality" as they say.
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Daveo30
Posted: 3:01:51 AM 12/23/2008
Well the comment below is incorrect, depending on how you look at it. Yes, you are correct in saying there are no multiple breeds of Chihuahua. A Chihuahua is just that. However there are two types of head in which Chi will have. One is the most common which is a Apple head, and then there are Deer heads. They are not different breeds, but there are two ways to correctly describe a Chi. Deer heads at one time use to be pretty rare, however they are becoming more common. I also have a Chi with a deer head. What makes these characteristic different, is that when your Chi is full grown it will resemble a Miniature pincher, instead of a typical apple had chi. So no there is no special breed called a deer head its just a way to describe the characteristic of your Chi... and yes they are rare, and ones with blue eyes I would say are very rare. Also deer head chi the eyes do not bulge as much as the typical apple head, which is why they more resemble a miniature pincher. Actually my best friend has a miniature pincher and you can put my chi and her dog side beside and they look a lot alike, other then the size my little girl is only 3 pounds. Regardless of what type head they have they are the best dog you could ask for, and very very loyal little buggers.
Daveo30
Posted: 3:05:13 AM 12/23/2008
Also I would love to add, that dog standards are the most redicul thing I have ever heard of. my little girl is the most beautiful dog, and has won the hearts of friends who are not even really dog lovers. Who cares if they dont have a compact face, or they are a rare color, or they have blue, green or poke a dot eyes, they are cute little things, and a DOG WITH BLUE eyes has to be beautiful so what if u cant put him in a dog show... truth is it would show them up!! SO YES U HAVE A RARE little dog, so love it!
Cleo
Posted: 11:35:56 PM 12/31/2008
Head
A well rounded "apple dome" skull, with or without molera. Expression – Saucy. Eyes - Full, round, but not protruding, balanced, set well apart-luminous dark or luminous ruby. Light eyes in blond or white-colored dogs permissible. Blue eyes or a difference in the color of the iris in the two eyes, or two different colors within one iris should be considered a serious fault. Ears – Large, erect type ears, held more upright when alert, but flaring to the sides at a 45 degree angle when in repose, giving breadth between the ears. Stop – Well defined. When viewed in profile, it forms a near 90 degree angle where muzzle joins skull. Muzzle – Moderately short, slightly pointed. Cheeks and jaws lean. Nose – Self-colored in blond types, or black. In moles, blues, and chocolates, they are self-colored. In blond types, pink noses permissible. Bite – Level or scissors. Overshot or undershot,
Posted: 4:19:12 PM 1/5/2009
Deerheads aren't rare.

I have both deerheads and appleheads and the appleheads are the ones that look the weirdest to me, even though this is the AKC standard. Deerhead or applehead is yours and my way of describing the head but to the AKC they are disqualified from breeding or showing because their little heads aren't up to standard.

According to AKC there are only two types of chi's and that is short or long haired. Period.

NO TOYS or MINIATURES. This is a sales ploy.

For a pet, and not a business venture, chihuahua's are the way to go, no matter their head size, coat length or body size.
To me, none of these change their chihuahua ways.
Posted: 4:27:04 PM 1/5/2009
AND ONE MORE THING

for the one that posted this:
>They should both be spayed and neutered. I wouldn't breed those 2 together at all, but if you insist you had better do alot of research on breeding. It can be very dangerous, and yes your female can die if things don't go right. It is rare, but possible. You also need to make sure you have atleast $1000 in the bank in case of an emergancy c-section. It is very common in all toy/small breeds. You also need to ask yourself, if things don't go right, and you have to feed the pups are you willing to tube/bottle feed them every 2 hours, including overnight, for several weeks. Trust me, you don't really get any sleep. If not, don't breed.
>

How obsurd!!!!!!!
Very dangerous, have $1000 in the bank..Oh come on....

The chances are more that you won't have any problems. Every pregnancy, human or animal has risks. Just because they arent' up to AKC showing standards doesn't mean that your chances are greater there will be problems. Actually it's the other way around and to keep the "perfect" looks, there has to be a lot of inbreeding, which causes problems.
Trying to scare people into not breading their pet just because they have blue eyes and a longer nose?
Illusionminis
Posted: 5:37:54 PM 1/5/2009
BASTROPCC----That just shows how little you know about the dog world. Hey let me guess you could care less amount unwanted dogs in the shelters and hey puppymills are great right. Who cares if dogs die.

I have never heard anything so stupid in all my life. Any dog can be bred, and give out health problems, bad temperments, etc. but do it anyway right?

If you can not take the time to prove your dog is a great dog, it doesn't have to be AKC, do Rarities, agility, obediance, I don't care. Do health testing, and breed for the right reasons, not becuase your dog is cute.

Breeding any dog is dangerous if you don't know what you are doing. And YES, more toy breeds have problems delivering and could die, hello how stupid are you?
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gbroxon
Posted: 9:01:33 PM 1/5/2009
Sorry if I missed this, but just to set the record straight in case it hasn't been brought up:

The AKC does not set a breed's standard, the national breed club does. So if a dog doesn't meet the standard, it's not the AKC's standard it's not meeting, it's the standard set by the breed's national club.
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lpn169
Posted: 3:32:10 PM 2/8/2009
"They are not different breeds, but there are two ways to correctly describe a Chi. Deer heads at one time use to be pretty rare, however they are becoming more common."

This is not 2 ways to CORRECTLY describe the breed. This 'deerhead chi' in question is not correct for the breed. It is a poorly bred and lacks quality for its breed, therefore not a correct way to describe.
Yes, 'deer heads' have become less rare, unfortunately. They are being seen more and more as the pet breeders start pumping out pups for quantity and not quality. 'Re-adjusting' the standard and the way a properly bred dog should look just to cash in on your pets and to decieve the public into believing they are getting something special is unacceptable.



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Posted: 6:28:48 PM 2/16/2009
Deer Heads were the original breed of Chihuahuas. It wasnt until the breeders wanted a much smaller dog and produced the Apple Heads. Now you hear of them wanting to produce even smaller Chihuahuas, the so called T-Cup Chihuahuas. Only to find that Apple Heads and T-cups are born with problems.

Personally I prefer the Deer Heads. A much stronger breed.




gbroxon
Posted: 8:56:20 PM 2/16/2009
Lucysnowy, please cite some specific information of how the chi started out with a deerhead and evolved into an applehead. I'm very interested in why the deerhead type became an unwanted attribute by the national breed club, the Chihuahua Club of America, who set the standard the AKC abides by. Thanks.
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Posted: 11:03:50 PM 2/16/2009
They are thought to be descendants of an ancient, similar, but slightly larger breed associated with royalty in Aztec civilizations known as the Techichi.

Chihuahua dog - Teacup and Deer-faced Chihuahuas
In recent years there has been an increase in the use of the terms "teacup" (or tea cup) and "deer" (or deer-faced) to describe Chihuahuas.

Along with "mini" and "tiny toy", "teacup" is sometimes used to describe Chihuahuas and other dogs that are very small. These and other terms are not officially used by any kennel club or reputable breeder. Chihuahuas naturally vary in size, and very small Chihuahuas are often runts, unhealthy, or undernourished, or, if otherwise healthy, may have shortened life spans and other health problems due to extreme dwarfing. They are not normally suitable for breeding, and may require special care.

"Deer" or "deer-faced" are terms that are sometimes used to describe Chihuahuas that do not have the breed-standard apple-domed appearance. These terms are also unofficial and have no real meaning.

Dinky the Taco Bell Chihuahua was circled in controversy. His identity, sex and even his owners were shrouded in mystery. He is what I would call a classic Deer Head Chihuahua.

I have seen breeders use a pug over a chihuahua to produce the shorter snout that most chihuahuas have problems with breeding. I have one of those.

Just Google the history of the Chihuahua you will be presently surprised. Still people dont know where they were originally from.


ruffian
Posted: 12:43:13 AM 2/17/2009
Funny all the Chihuahua history I find says that they dont know the true origins, and that they may have been traded to China at some point, and cross bred, and that they come from the Chihuahua part of Mexico, but nothing about looks is mentioned. Some say that the miniaturization may have taken place in China though, odd how you were able to "find" such distinctive points though.
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catlover
Posted: 8:01:11 AM 2/17/2009
Yes, but Ruffian...Lucy knows best!!!
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Posted: 5:32:14 PM 2/17/2009
Of course, and it hurts you more doesnt it, catlover.



catlover
Posted: 6:53:17 PM 2/17/2009
Actually, Lucy, I find you quite entertaining. Only here for 3 days, and have already rubbed everyone the wrong way!!!
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Posted: 7:02:59 PM 2/17/2009
No people rub themselves the wrong way. A few have read my posts wrongly. People need to explain exactly what the problem is and not chop and change their story to please themselves.

Yes I am new is that a crime?


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